[p2p-research] controversy: GM foods and organic agriculture

[Michel Bauwens]

Thanks Herve!

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Hervé Le Crosnier
<herve at info.unicaen.fr>wrote:

>
>
>        Hello,
>
>        Quick answers in the text :
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> Michel Bauwens a écrit :
> > Hi Herve,
> >
> > Thanks for that, but don't forget that what is obvious for you, may not
> > be for Ryan, so these things still need to be argued.
>
>
>         Sorry if my tune is too sharp. As I told you, my english is
>        really not diplomatic.
>
>        But I also fear the way doubt are set up where no-doubt is
>        to be the only attitude, because of so many evidences.
>        We have to take care not becoming "opinion people". As
>        scientists, we have to look for arguments, reasoning,
>        examples, generalisation, all those patterns of academics.
>
>        If we don't, who will built a counter power for media. Never
>        forget that media earn their money from advertisement : the
>        influence industry is working everyday, not for the sake of
>        the world, but for the own beneficial of the trust that
>        pay them...
>
> >
> > However, I just realized that neither you nor Roberto really answered my
> > argument, which is different from Ryan's.
> >
> > My point is: would it be different, if GMO where part of an open
> > commons, not part of corporate profitmaking. So if we assume open and
> > participative science, not under the control of privatizing companies,
> > would that make GMO different?
> >
>
>         Well, this question is two folded.
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>        - not granting patents on living organism is a crucial test for
>          this. I suppose, but that's only an appreciation concerning
>          the actual type of buggy GMO (pest plants, and other non
>          innovative plant, but suport for the chemical industry), that
>          we will then stop GMO in the field.
>
>        - if people try to use trangenese and mutagenese in laboratory
>          (and really in confine environment) they will surely get new
>          information about life, genetic and so... May be this can
>          develop new products in a long to mid-long term... and without
>          pressure of patents, we can think it's possible to make all
>          toxicologic and environmental studies to acertain those new
>          agricultural products.
>
>        But :
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>        - the biothec is not an industry who is here to fullfill public
>          needs (look around near 1 billion people starving !). So the
>          hypothesis of "no-patent on living organism" will only be
>          there if a real world social movement hurry up.
>
>        - there's a really good biotech from milleniums : farming. This
>          where the communities that select plants who can get together
>          best yielding and best human nutrition.
>
>        And :
>
>        - When physics scientists want to understand better the atom,
>          they build new laboratories... and beyond protons and
>          electrons, they find a realy huge complexity, and every
>          naming of a new corpuscule tend to call for new studies.
>
>        - Why wasn't this the same for biology and living organism.
>          The reductionnism of genetic is only one slant of the
>          understanding of life. Let science go on, considering nature
>          as a partner, not as an industrial thing we can engineer.
>
> Hervé Le Crosnier
>
>


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