[p2p-research] Continuation of Money Flow Thread

[Michel Bauwens]

As far as I know, the 100k limit was always like that,

I'm not sure what the rationale is, but I leave this to the list admins,
kevin and ryan.

It seems to me that some limits are acceptable in terms of bandwidth
management,

Perhaps such 'admin' meta discussions should take place in p2p-f rather than
here?

Michel

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:00 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Someone set the message length to 100K max.
>
> We need to figure out the Google length threshold (max length for messages
> before Google starts hiding them) and use that, and just deal with it, not
> because of some arbitrary netiquette.
>
> Anyway, the bounced message follows below:
>
> ~~
> <<
>>
>> If you have a replicator, all is good.
>>
> >>
>
> Peer production is NOT about magic replicators.
>
> If production is open and sustainable (I list 10 or 11 conditions for
> sustainability in the P2P Energy Economy) then THEORETICALLY anyone with
> average IQ, interest and motivation should be able to reproduce any given
> product or service. Even if the theoretical ideal is met 20% of the way,
> that is a huge improvement over centralized production.
>
> I agree that production eventually turns centralized to increase efficiency
> but at the cost of resiliency/redundancy. Yet you cannot ban peers from
> investing in centralization. But if resiliency, not efficiency, is rewarded
> with higher profit then they have you remove the reason for centralization.
> *(Note to self: this is one key fix that needs to be made to P2P Energy
> Economy. The other fix is guaranteeing growth of energy flow between peers
> which is a much harder problem... but can have a similar solution thru a
> strategic reward model.)*
>
> <<
> I doubt your system would work as well as the greedy managers.
> >>
>
> If by "work as well as" you mean "efficiency at a moral cost" then you're
> right. But your definition of "works well" would be immoral, too, in my
> view.
>
>
> <<
>
>> 1. What do you mean when you say "pay too much"?
>>
>>
> >>
>
> over 30% above median cost is too much.
>
> <<
>
>
>> 2. What is the actual definition of "greed" and when does a profit maker
>> cross the line?
>>
>>
> >>
>
> Skipping definition of greed, anything above 30% is excessive, IMO.
>
> <<
>
>> 3. How do you adjust to median cost when efficiencies will vary all around
>> that price based on efficiencies, capital investment, innovation, labor
>> costs, etc.?
>>
>>
> >>
>
> Good question, but not intractable to a computer.
>
> You have to realize that computers will take over, sooner or later, so
> prepare for it or ignore it at your descendants' peril :)
>
> Marc
>
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