[p2p-research] p2p-like law making: Italian law proposal for Net neutrality put on a wiki for collaborative editing

Fri May 22 05:39:44 CEST 2009

I reread y our proposal, and already created:

http://p2pfoundation.net/Collaborative_Governance

Can we start by adding what we already know?

Michel

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Mark Elliott <me at mark-elliott.net> wrote:

> No, hadn't hear of citizentool actually.
>
> Also Michel and Marco, aside from Collabforge's work, the wiki you're
> participating in Marco and the city wikis (eg Brest), can you think of any
> other initiatives that would qualify as collaborative governance - i.e.
> government working in collaboration with public (presumably via Web2 type
> tools/processes), as opposed to the many initiatives that are citizen led
> and running in paralell with government?
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> yes, Mark, I think that's a good title, and not to be confused with:
>>
>> - http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-based_Political_Production
>>
>> I'm guessing you have both seen the Canadian wiki for Copyright
>> legislation, inititiated by Michael Geist,
>>
>> and are you aware of the citizentool guy in delicious?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Matt Cooperrider <
>> mattcooperrider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry to not start on this yet.  I am still committed to building the
>>> initial wiki page.  I had committed today to research tasks, but organizing
>>> got in the way as usual :P
>>>
>>> Does the title "Peer Production of Policy" encompass what we're all
>>> talking about here?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is great Matt,
>>>>
>>>> this will bring our collective knowledge forward!
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Matt Cooperrider <
>>>> mattcooperrider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michel and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can take the lead on this, probably starting tomorrow or late
>>>>> tonight.  There's not much to report on the collaborative policy initiatives
>>>>> I was driving in New York (Marco, see this<http://iyear.us/2009/04/21/anyone-can-be-a-wonk/>and
>>>>> this <http://iyear.us/2009/05/04/120/>).  The group was focused on a
>>>>> specific initiative relating to open 311 data, and DIYcity has taken the
>>>>> lead on this.  Folks here were less interested in tackling collaborative
>>>>> policy at the meta-level.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose that we build out whatever already exists on the p2p wiki
>>>>> regarding peer policy production.  We can tackle collaborative policy
>>>>> writing and swarm lobbying.  Britt Blaser is actively building a swarm
>>>>> lobbying engine using Facebook, so I can grab his thoughts on that (though
>>>>> he hates wikis so he won't participate directly).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what's already there on a quick look:
>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Policy_Design
>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/DIY_Policy_Design
>>>>>
>>>>> If Marco and Mark will pledge a revision each (hopefully more :) ),
>>>>> I'll start the ball rolling on a new page.  Then we can make a post inviting
>>>>> wider participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it would be great if you could elaborate on 'swarm lobbying' a great
>>>>>> meme that I could further promote in the blog and document in the wiki!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Mark Elliott <me at mark-elliott.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marco! and thanks for the intro Michel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The wiki law project looks like a good one. While I'm not aware of
>>>>>>> any in Australia along these lines, there was the New Zealand Police
>>>>>>> Act wiki <http://www.policeact.govt.nz/wiki/> a few years back, and
>>>>>>> the ones that my company Collabforge has developed, mainly
>>>>>>> FutureMelbourne.com.au (Melbourne's ten year plan in a wiki) and
>>>>>>> wePlan.parks.vic.gov.au (a major state parks plan in wiki - the wiki
>>>>>>> element will launch in coming weeks).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Matt is aware of similar ventures in the US or elsewhere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my personal opinion, I think that emergent 'swarm lobbying' will
>>>>>>> be the way of the future, enabled by these types of open access initiatives.
>>>>>>> Actually, I spoke about this a bit here
>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/future-melbourne-the-dawning-of-the-age-of-p2pgovernance/2008/06/06in context of the City of Melbourne project. So yeah, I'd say it is a great
>>>>>>> exercise in law lobbying!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you planning/considering getting involved in this type of thing
>>>>>>> more in the future (in Italy or elsewhere)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:45 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 17:00:54 PM +0700, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I'm putting you in touch with Marco, who participates in our p2p
>>>>>>>> > research list and is involved in an Italian open legislation
>>>>>>>> > project,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark, Matt,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the project Michel refers to is this:
>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/open-legislation-in-italy/2009/05/17
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not a member of the democratic party. I'm a freelance
>>>>>>>> writer/popularizer specialized in digital rights issue (more on this
>>>>>>>> at http://mfioretti.com). When I first heard of this initiative, I
>>>>>>>> immediately jumped in with lots of proposals for corrections and
>>>>>>>> improvements, so I found myself as the unofficial wiki moderator.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm well aware that there is a good part of pure propaganda in
>>>>>>>> launching that wiki, but I still want to "reward" the method and try
>>>>>>>> to make sure that more Italians like it and start demanding it
>>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>>> a rule, at least in certain cases.  Besides, is a good exercise in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fine art of law lobbying, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd particularly appreciate any pointer to similar initiatives and
>>>>>>>> relevant resources, for example official definitions and precedents
>>>>>>>> from ISO, UN and similar on these matters, but any feedback is
>>>>>>>> welcome, really.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Marco Fioretti
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> software is used *around* you:
>>>>>>>> http://digifreedom.net/node/84
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mark Elliott, PhD
>>>>>>> Director, CollabForge pty ltd
>>>>>>> collaboration ~ mass collaboration ~ social software
>>>>>>> http://Collabforge.com ~ http://Mark-Elliott.net ~
>>>>>>> http://MetaCollab.net
>>>>>>> Phone: 0421 978 501 (international callers: +614 21 978 501)
>>>>>>> Twitter: MarkElliott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Working at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University -
>> http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html -
>> http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>>
>> Volunteering at the P2P Foundation:
>> http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net -
>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com
>>
>> Monitor updates at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens
>>
>> The work of the P2P Foundation is supported by SHIFTN,
>> http://www.shiftn.com/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -----
> Mark Elliott, PhD
> Director, CollabForge pty ltd
> collaboration ~ mass collaboration ~ social software
> http://Collabforge.com ~ http://Mark-Elliott.net ~ http://MetaCollab.net
> Phone: 0421 978 501 (international callers: +614 21 978 501)
> Twitter: MarkElliott
>

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