[p2p-research] [p2p energy economy] Re: excellent contribution on flow money by Martien van Steenbergen

[Ryan Lanham]

Marc,

In a market system, the goal is to maximize information to a consumer.
Then, to allow them to make decisions.  The presumption is they will mostly
choose well.  Those who don't are swept away by Darwinian forces...until
rehabilitated by social safety nets.

Overall, I agree with your aims.  I contend that the market system is
already pretty good, though not perfect, at solving them.  You notice the
problems, but markets work well every day.  We get deoderant we want, we can
buy a burger at midnight at a reasonable price, get gasoline with standard
quality all over, etc.  Prices usually don't go crazy...though sometimes
they do.

Artificial scarcity is a very common topic in classic technocracy--which I
blogged about for a while--you can see it on various articles in wikipedia
like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity  which talks
about "technates" and other technocracy concepts.

Your overall scheme I think is fairly similar to technocracy ideals of an
energy economy (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_Incorporated and
Energy Accounting under that...)

These ideals were first set down in the 1930s.  I find them extremely
intriguing...if unlikely to ever come about.  There are still big meetings
in Europe on the emergeance of technocracy--very good and very bright people
involved.

Ryan





On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Price manipulation is what I'd like to eliminate.
>
> 1. Goods/services can be dumped below cost to eliminate competition
>
> Or
>
> 2. Goods/services can be made scarce by a monopoly to raise price way above
> cost and extract more profit over longer period
>
> And usually, 2 follows 1, in sequence. Also known as LETS SCREW THE
> CONSUMER game.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:14 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > we don't need to resort to the mechanics of the falsely called 'market
>> price'
>>
>> Marc,
>>
>> Could you tell me (again if I missed it) why we cannot let price vary
>> at every transaction according to an instantaneous agreement (as Ryan
>> mentioned) made between the "current owners" and the "potential
>> consumer"?
>>
>> In other words, why do you want to avoid haggling and dynamic pricing
>> at the point-of sale?
>>
>> Shouldn't the "current owners" for that good or service and the
>> "potential consumer" for that *exact* sale be allowed to make
>> judgments about pricing in private without referencing a centralized
>> pricing scheme?
>>
>> Won't such policy create a gray/black market where things are
>> purchased by 'scalpers' who then resell them to those who are willing
>> to pay more?
>>
>> I'm not saying you are wrong or right, I just don't understand why you
>> want to control the price.
>>
>> To give perspective I again mention my approach is to let price float
>> wherever it may, but to treat all price above cost the consumer is
>> willing to pay as his investment.
>>
>> It seems there could be gray/black market problems for my scheme too,
>> but I have not yet been able to identify what they would be.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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