[p2p-research] labour, capital and p2p

[marc fawzi]

Michel,

Regarding religions, and the repackaging of their founder's spiritual
enligtenment and moral ideals as laws or principles handed from an all
powerful, ruling god, I agree that such an end is not desirable.

However, the purpose of life is not to get our way or our say (easy to
say, hard to practice) but to just be present, be awake.

So I'm still against the idea of upholding and defending some
convictions or principles that we ourselves came up with!

But otherwise I'm with you.

Marc

On 5/19/09, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi ryan,
>
> i find myself agreeing with almost everything you say in this contribution.
>
> I think my attitude to marxism is pretty to much the same as the one I have
> vis a vis traditional religion:
>
> - we know the founders were inspired by high ethical ideals and some form of
> spiritual realization
>
> - we know the resulting institutions and movements perpetrated a lot of evil
> "in the name of that ideal"
>
> - yet: 1) many within it are still inspired by the ethical ideas and
> charisma of the founders to do social good themselves; 2) and many parts of
> the tradition can still be used to foster the ethical ideals and social good
>
> Since many people in the world are still motivated and using this as a
> framework, and because their is all that potential still in it, let's engage
> in dialogue around our common pursuits for p2p ...
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stan:
>>
>> I do not feel I have made an ad hominem attack against Marx.  If what I
>> said is perceived as such, I apologize sincerely to those who feel his
>> legacy is worthy.  His critique strikes me as simply inaccurate and, at
>> best, no longer relevant.  There are enduring ideas worthy of review from
>> all pre-modern times, and I take Marx to be pre-Modern--or classical, like
>> Adam Smith or David Ricardo who he read closely.  An aquaintance of mine,
>> Professor Gavin Kennedy of Edinburgh, spends a life correcting
>> misinterpretations of Adam Smith.  I have seen others do similar with the
>> words of Thomas Jefferson.  I suppose that is a sort of worthy pursuit,
>> but
>> in the face of great challenges, it is not how I would wish to allocate
>> good
>> minds in a just world.
>>
>>
>>
>


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