[p2p-research] labour, capital and p2p

[Michel Bauwens]

Sounds like a very sensible approach to me, that of POCLAD, I do hope it
makes headway, and if we can help here at the p2pfoundation, by spreading
these proposals, let me/us know ...

perhaps someone could write about it?

Michel

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:11 PM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:

> On Sat, May 16, 2009 18:53:08 PM +0700, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > Hi Marco,
> >
>
> > you may be right that there are many people who want to abolish the
> > personhood of corporations, but I have yet to meet the first one
>
> I too have yet to meet in person anybody who explicitly speaks against
> "corporate personhood", that is somebody who has already met that term
> and uses it. What I mean is that I am just convinced that:
>
> if I had the time to speak with lots of the people around me who
> complain about big bad evil multinationals, "how the f**k can the
> government be so powerless against those guys, how can they de-facto
> fire people without any reason but speculation and get away with it,
> etc"...
>
> and I simply told them "this is because corporations are allowed to
> have the same rights in court as mortal, physically limited people
> even if they become immortal, ubiquitous and never were human beings
> in the first place", I'd get a lot of "gee, I understood everything
> you say and I feel you're damn right" feedback. With respect to this:
>
> > ... on the other hand, I meet scores of people who want to be
> > enterpreneurs and create a company, regardless of its bylaws ...
>
> I may very well be wrong in my understanding of the details of POCLAD
> proposals, I mentioned it here just hoping to find somebody who had
> already found the time to read and absorb all the fine print. This
> said, what I got from my quick readings is that POCLAD-like reforms
> would create almost no problems to people who want to **become**
> entrepreneurs.
>
> POCLAD says things like that corporations should always have an
> expiration date and never be allowed to change the activity for which
> they were formed or to buy other corporations (while the single
> individuals "owning" them can surely own more than a corporation at a
> time), that if a corporation is caught doing bad it cannot hide behind
> laws only created to guarantee a fair trial to human beings etc..
>
> If the company a wannabe entrepreneur wants to found isn't a patent
> troll or a pretext for the next international, financial Ponzi-like
> scam, would this create any problem to that entrepreneur? Or would it
> give him/her more possibilities to succeed?
>
> Of course, it is absolutely right to keep trying better formats with
> other tools. Thanks for the pointers to Rushkoff, I'll read what he's
> doing.
>
> --
> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
> software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
>
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