[p2p-research] Fwd: About Your Post: There is such a thing as peer money

Sun May 17 15:20:57 CEST 2009

Hi Michael,

this here below is a good way to re-introduce your project to our readers ,
perhaps with an add-on of your progress the last 18 months?

(and Marc F. could add his thoughts as well?)

Michel

On 5/17/09, Michael Johnson <mykl at mykljonzun.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Thank you for reading the overview to Ideologi.  From my perspective, the
> only way any significant form of peer money is going to evolve is if a way
> can be found to rapidly "scale-up" the efficacy of peer production itself.
> Blogs and wikis, in conjunction with Web 2.0 tools, have been nothing less
> than astonishing with ad hoc collective coordination.  But I think that the
> shortcomings of linear discussions (I call it "The Tragedy f the Comments")
> is, as far as I can tell, practically unaddressed in the structural design
> of every collaborative system being used on the web today.  At first, I
> thought that the Long Tail had dissuaded them from even thinking in the
> other direction--what are the chances for having ten thousand responses to
> an blog posting, right?  Let alone an ad hoc interactive discussion among
> its users.
>
> But after talking to developers about it, I realized that they don't
> recognize it as an artifact from the Internet preceeding the web.  To them,
> it's a finished feature--"an elegant solution to a fundamental constraint"
> of electronic dialogue.  And by seeing it as such, they are inadvertantly
> using a function where a more elegant solution is needed to facilitate*high-performance peer production
> *.  And that is where Ideologi comes in.
>
> Ideologi is not a replacement to discussion lists; they have their use in
> the vast majority of blogs where comments are rare, aka The Long Tail.  But
> it is the fat end of the tail (and cases where a post at the skinny end of
> the Long Tail gets its 15 minutes of fame at the fat end) that is being
> underserved by subjecting its audience to a long list of disjointed
> comments.  Attaching scores and inputing responses directly to a previous
> comment are definitely an improvement, but it still lacks significant
> structure to constitute a coherent dialogue.  I believe that existing
> communities of interest would be more than ready to invest their mindshare
> with a format that feels more like a dialogue than something that's akin to
> reading letters to the editor of a newspaper.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:56 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael, Michel,
>>
>> I scanned it quickly.
>>
>> Any attempt in this direction is bound to be very interesting.
>>
>> I do not see how it's related to peer money, but it is certainly
>> related to solving collaboration problems.
>>
>> It could potentially solve the collaboration issues we've all
>> experienced with one discussion list or another, but  I'm not sure how
>> natural it would be for people to adopt... and how effective.
>>
>> I'll give it a second read and see if it make sense to leverage it in
>> my current projects then report back to this thread.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Michel Bauwens
>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Michael,
>> >
>> > Feel free to share info about your project on this  list, or via our
>> Ning
>> > forum!
>> >
>> > Michel
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:43 PM
>> > Subject: Fwd: About Your Post: There is such a thing as peer money
>> > To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > something for you on peer money.
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: <mykljonzun at ideologi.org>
>> > Date: Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM
>> > Subject: About Your Post: There is such a thing as peer money
>> > To: lifesized at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > I wholeheartedly agree with your article.  I am working on something
>> that
>> > might be of interest to you...
>> >
>> > www.ideologi.org
>> >
>> > The first draft of the technical specifications of the
>> > application/communication platform described there are now complete--the
>> > only remaining area is that of development itself.
>> >
>> > Let me know if this makes sense to you.
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
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