[p2p-research] Fwd: [ox-en] No more money trickery propaganda please

[Stan Rhodes]

It was both a joke and critique of the whole thing, and of all of us.
The frustration with differences in the absolutely obvious.  Stefan
makes assumptions about what money is and how it works, but so does
everyone else.  It's hard to dissect.  The different Marxist flavors
certainly keep me on my toes.

However, I was also thinking he had never replied to my reply to the
original apples and moonfruits discussion.  I figured he was just
tired of the thread.  Well, the joke is one me: he never got it.  I
didn't cross-post my reply (because I strongly dislike doing so), and
he wasn't on the CC list, and he must not be on the p2p research list.

I have a lot of trouble keeping up with the lists, so I can sympathize
with Stefan wanting to try to focus his own list, although I also
sympathize with frustration at his rather pointed terminology.

Stefan, here's the link, if you're curious:
http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch_listcultures.org/2009-April/002301.html

-- Stan

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Michel Bauwens
<michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stan,
>
> I don't  see any reply, or is it  just the last line? (which I'm not sure I
> understand)
>
> Michel
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Stan Rhodes <stanleyrhodes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like I didn't CC the list with my reply.  See below.
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Stefan Merten <smerten at oekonux.de> wrote:
>> > If someone states that you can keep money and get interest for it at
>> > the same time then it is absolutely obvious that this is wrong. The
>> > money in my pocket does not raise any interest neither does the money
>> > under my cushion. Only if I do *not* keep my money but give it away
>> > then I can get interest for it.
>> >
>> > If then someone continues to state obvious nonsense like this then I
>> > reserve the right to call *this statement* propaganda / esotericism,
>> > yes. As a maintainer of the Oekonux project in Oekonux it is even my
>> > duty.
>> >
>> > And no the keeping-money-and-getting-interest is not a unimportant
>> > detail in this debate. It is rather all or nothing. But since you
>> > probably did not understand all the other stuff it is really pointless
>> > to go on.
>> >
>> >                                                Grüße
>> >                                                Stefan
>>
>> I found the problem: not questioning the absolutely obvious.  Happens
>> to the best of us.
>>
>> -- Stan
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