[p2p-research] "Many of us will not send mail to gmail.com"

[Michel Bauwens]

a rectification, Marc, I was speaking for myself, not for the list ....

the p2p-f wiki lists all kind of p2p infrastructural technologies ...

it's something I (we?) support in general, but not as an obligation for all
members to abide by ...

Michel


On 5/10/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <<
> it's "why a definitely non-p2p way to do email
> > is much more popular on a pro-p2p list?"
> >>
>
> Marco:
>
> What is the purpose of the list?
>
> If the list's purpose was to promote the use of p2p technologies as
> well as p2p paradigms (beyond technologies) then you would expect the
> list members to care a lot. But as Michel put it in his preceding
> reply (in this thread) the purpose of the list is focused on
> discussing and promoting p2p paradigms but not technologies (or as
> Michel put it: driving the car and not worrying about the motor [and I
> add: not worrying whether it's a p2p motor or a centralized motor or a
> hybrid])
>
> I think this is a taste issue. People can make all sorts of arguments
> (like I do, like we all do) to justify their choices but at the end of
> the day it's a taste issue not an objective thing.
>
> I'm fine if this list's taste is to drive the car and not worry about
> the motor. That's because at least the car is being driven in the
> right direction and the argument is: whatever motor does the best job
> NOW, TODAY, because we need to get to our destination.
>
> To people like me and you, it seems that we care about the motor as
> much as the car and the destination.  Maybe others care deeply about
> the motor, but I hear Michel saying it's all physics to him and his
> goal is to get to the destination.
>
> So I have no problem with it. However, being an engineer I can't
> ignore physics and mechanics since to me the "design" of the
> technology we use is an integral part of the belief system and the
> vision, inseparable.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 09, 2009 23:45:33 PM +0200, Kris ROOSE wrote:
> >> Ryan and Marc,
> >>
> >> I don/t understand you:
> >
> > Any good email client automatically includes an attribution line (the
> > one above starting with "On Sat, May 09...") which leaves a very clear
> > and very fast to read track (EVEN when it's a quote of a quote of a
> > quote!!!) of who said what. That feature, and of course proper
> > trimming/quoting, exist to avoid misattributions and
> > misunderstandings. The person who "criticized" Gmail sorting it's only
> > me (Marco), not Marc Fawzi nor Ryan.
> >
> >> all my thousands of Gmails are immediately sorted by date... and by
> >> much more than that
> >
> > I am not a Gmail user. I got an account years ago, but only played
> > with it a bit. More recently, I played again a little bit, with
> > permission, into some friends Gmail accounts. In both cases, I didn't
> > find or recognize any of the ways to sort messages (recipient, sender,
> > date, size, etc...) which are pre-built in almost all other clients I
> > know of, so I got the impression that Gmail is really limited and
> > quite below average from this specific point of view. A quick search
> > shows I'm not alone in this:
> >
> >
> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=7e8728af01fea293&hl=en
> >
> http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/07/18/the-one-thing-gmail-really-needs-and-has-never-been-done/
> > http://www.thisisgoingtobebig.com/2005/06/gmail_sorting_i.html
> >
> > Since the 1st link is... three days old, I gather that the sorting
> > limits denounced in the two other links are still there. For **me**
> > they would be enough not to use Gmail, but no problem with others who
> > don't care, really. Please note that my main question/curiosity isn't
> > "does Gmail suck or not", it's "why a definitely non-p2p way to do email
> > is much more popular on a pro-p2p list?"
> >
> > Marco
> >
> >
> > --
> > Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
> > software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
> >
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>
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