[p2p-research] "Many of us will not send mail to gmail.com"

[Kris ROOSE]

Ryan and Marc,

I don/t understand you: all my thousands of Gmails are immediately sorted by
date... and by much more than that

Kris

2009/5/9 marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>

> Ryan,
>
> It's not that Gmail is expensive to society in terms of money. It's
> expensive in terms of dependency and its ability to take down a huge
> portion of social interaction with it when it crashes, which it does
> often.
>
> The issue is resiliency. Lack of resiliency in centralized systems is
> the real expense to society.
>
> Marc
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 09, 2009 11:57:49 AM -0500, Ryan Lanham wrote:
> >> Marco,
> >>
> >> Gmail is a function rich
> >
> > I would never call "function rich" something that doesn't even have a
> > "sort by date" and similar basic functions, but that is really, really
> > a matter of personal preference, and you're also right that Gmail is,
> > in spite of its name, actually a combination of email and _other_
> > services, so never mind.
> >
> >> I disagree with Marc that these services are inherently expensive to
> >> society. Corporations can be quite efficient
> >
> > substitute "corporations" with "centralized infrastructures" and I
> > agree without problems, have you read this, especially Case 2:
> >
> >
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Thoughts_on_P2P_production_and_deployment_of_physical_objects
> >
> > Nor have I problems with you or anybody else using non-FOSS
> > applications, for that matter.
> >
> >> I've long ago given up on strong expectations of privacy.  What do I
> >> have to hide that isn't inherently coded and defended by other
> >> service providers (e.g. banks) anyway?
> >
> > Private correspondence? Do your bank, government offices, credit card
> > companies, marketers etc... still have complete, easy access all in
> > one place to every single private message you've sent or received, if
> > you don't use Gmail or any other traditional provider, web-centric or
> > not?
> >
> >> As I have said, I'm not a political zealot for P2P.  It isn't an
> >> idealism--it is, to me, a ethos.  I recognize it as a valuable set
> >> of ideas whose time has come.  If its time passes, I'll shed no
> >> tears
> >
> > same here, absolutely. But my original question/curiosity was a bit
> > different and not even centered on privacy, ie "**why** is the
> > percentage of Gmail users much higher **on a P2P list** than on any
> > other list I follow, including non "geeky" ones?"
> >
> > Marco
> > --
> > Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
> > software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
> >
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>
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