[p2p-research] P2P Email

[Ryan Lanham]

My own view is that P2P has nothing to do with architectures.  Nothing.  P2P
could describe systems from 1370 or 400 BC.  It is a way of interacting that
may be ENABLED by technology, but is not technology.

I agree with Marc if Version 6 allows a greater facility (easiness) for
collaboration, non-hierachical interactions, etc.  I agree with Marco that
Version 4 may do all those things now with slight intermediation.  Is
ENABLING P2P without inter-mediation better?  Yes, if it is feasible and not
too costly.  Is inter-mediation inherently bad?  I'd argue no.
ENABLING/Coaching/Mentoring/supporting/opening/facilitating...these are all
worthy human ends in my view.  P2P idealizes a clear interaction, it doesn't
demand it. Many systems can be overwhelmingly peer-2-peer (as I'd argue my
gmail is today) with a gmail in the background.  Don't let the perfect be
the enemy of the good.

Ryan Lanham



On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:00 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Correct, in the context of my definition of "p2p" which is somewhat
> purist when it comes to the p2p architecture.
>
> However, in that definition I include distribution for redundancy and
> some centralized coordination (that can be distributed too for
> redundancy) so, with respect to the latter, it's not completely
> decentralized.
>
> I've spent some time working on a UDP based reliable p2p protocol over
> IPv4 and eventually realized that, even though P2P architectures like
> Skype and BitTorrent exist already that dont require
> router/NAT/firewall configuration to work (but can work better with
> the right configuration), the architectural requirements and the cost
> of guaranteeing 100% reliability 100% of the time is too much given
> that IPv6 would solve the core issues with client-to-client
> communication and is supposedly just around the corner...
>
> So when IPv6 is finally here it will give rise to a huge growth in p2p
> apps because it will be far less costly to build and maintain fast,
> secure and reliable p2p (client to client) applications when you don't
> have to jump thru hoops (as is the case now)
>
> Marc
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 08, 2009 07:22:34 AM -0700, marc fawzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> because there are no "turnkey" sw and
> >>> service packages around which are tailored for this scenario, not
> >>> because "ipv6 isn't here yet".
> >>
> >> There cannot be ANY one solution that works for ALL routers and
> >> firewalls and NATs .... it's a zoo...
> >
> > I take this as a confirmation that when you say "p2p mail" you mean:
> >
> >  "everybody managing all their incoming and transmitted email
> >  directly and exclusively from THEIR OWN PERSONAL COMPUTER, ie the
> >  personal laptops, PDAs, whatever... that they always carry with
> >  them, or the personal desktop computers they have under their desk
> >  at home".
> >
> > Is my understanding correct? Please let me know, otherwise it makes
> > very little sense to spend time in more technical details.
> >
> > Marco Fioretti
> > --
> > Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
> > software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
> >
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