[p2p-research] Implications of Alpha

[marc fawzi]

ok, i see. I said "open it up as a service"

Did not mean to open up the software which he'll never do as that's
his source of revenue (the Mathematica platform is used in Alpha)

I meant to offer it up as a service, which in some context makes it a
lot more open than a web app.. because it can be mashed up and/or
integrated with other apps

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:22 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I would agree with all points below but I'm confused as to how you
> relate it to SaaS?  SaaS is not open. It can be fully closed, just
> with an API. Facebook is SaaS in the sense that it offers its platform
> APIs to any developer (with some stupid restrictions but it is a SaaS
> platform in my view, just like Salesforce is)
>
> What gave you the impression that SaaS refers to open systems?
>
> Marc
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Marc,
>>
>> My own view is that open is a good, but not necessary element of good.  I
>> use many closed systems that I love.  Do I wish they were open?  Yes.  Will
>> they be soon?  Not likely.  So, I can live in a world of only open and limit
>> my options, or I can advocate for open and try to use it where it makes
>> sense.  Bright line morality may feel good, but it isn't reality.  The world
>> is a messy place.  Dialogue and collaboration happen, and collaboration
>> entails give and take.
>>
>> Maybe we can assume socialists are similar enough to P2P to merit
>> collaboration (as Herve does) or maybe we can assume that for profit is too
>> odious to work with as some no doubt do.  For me, I rule nothing out.
>> Michael Albert ruling out those who do not fight capitalism from his forum
>> is childish and counter-productive.  I understand trying to control
>> discourse, but without authentic dialogue and full menagerie of all types of
>> organizations, the best solutions will not be found.  Morality means
>> balancing competing interests in my view.
>>
>> Mistakes are in not reasoning and in not pursuing dreams...not in failing to
>> follow a certain prescriptive worldview.  I support P2P and advocate for it
>> as a collaborative ideal--even as a market philosophy--I do not see it as
>> exclusive, optimal at all times nor do I want it to replace all other forms
>> of systems even in technology.
>>
>> Ryan Lanham
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be infinitely more useful is he'd open it up as a service
>>> (software as a service, to be accessed from other Web and P2P client
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I could think of many uses for its data collection and computational
>>> capability in decision support systems as well as in any software that
>>> needs to make decisions based on real world data.
>>>
>>> Letting people use it directly, as opposed to having it be a backend
>>> service for software developed by others, is a huge mistake, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I've been thinking about Wolfram's Alpha.  The question I'd like to ask
>>> > him
>>> > is, what will it change.
>>> >
>>> > I saw JOHO's (David Weinberger's) interview.  It was fascinating.
>>> >
>>> > Here's my 2 cents:  The research paper and the informing blog post may
>>> > be
>>> > dead.  Yes, stringing ideas together to make a point is still useful,
>>> > but
>>> > now anyone can answer a question properly structured.  So, ideas may
>>> > become
>>> > more changes of queries.
>>> >
>>> > Another separate point, Michel recently sent around an academic Call for
>>> > Papers for a P2P conference.  Isn't that a bit odd, inherently?  A COP
>>> > on
>>> > P2P?
>>> >
>>> > Ryan Lanham
>>> >
>>> >
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