[p2p-research] P2P Email

[marc fawzi]

btw, re: marco's way.. that's how email runs in 99% of companies with
over 100 employees... but does not become "p2p" until it's pervasive!
which it can't be because of the NAT issue in IPv4 (and the imperfect
NAT traversal/hole-punching solutions just not good enough for
pervasive wide spread use)

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:07 AM,  <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
> marco thanks for the input
> i think it would be great if we could run a first experiment
> of p2p mail, just tell me what to do
> as long as it is not complicated
> gmail is easy and has lots of functionalities attached
> p
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:41 PM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 08, 2009 04:18:28 AM -0700, marc fawzi wrote:
>> > Gmail was down again today...
>> >
>> > When IPv6 is finally here all PCs and devices connected to the net
>> > will be able to reach each other DIRECTLY, in point to point
>> > fashion.
>> > Now it's impossible without jumping thru hoops, with a less than
>> > perfect success rate.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> the only thing for which IPv6 would be needed is quantity, ie have
>> enough static IP addresses for every computer and then some.
>> Everything else you describe it's either built-in the IPv4 protocol
>> (path redundancy) or in DNS or already possible today. I and the lots
>> of other individual or businesses of any size who already run their
>> **own** mail servers **already** constitute, as a whole, "resilient
>> p2p email that does not crash unless the entire Internet goes down".
>>
>> The reasons more people don't already do the same is a mix of cost,
>> real or perceived lack of skills, ignorance of the possibilities and
>> so on, but certainly not the lack of IPv6.
>>
>> > So when IPv6 is finally here, and it's been ages (I wonder if it's
>> > held up because of its potential to disrupt centralized structures
>> > of power on the Internet)
>>
>> What I've been sincerely wondering for months now is how it's possible
>> that a p2p-research and advocacy list, of all places, has so many
>> members "running" their own email with gmail, that is in the way which
>> is as far as possible from P2P ideals and suggested practices, a way
>> which relies on one huge provider with bunches of large, very
>> centrally managed data centers. I'm on tenths of lists and the
>> percentage of gmail addresses among, say, the 20/30% most active users
>> is far higher here than in any other of them.
>>
>> With respect to IPv6 conspiracy theories, a few ipv6 related reading:
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=241 (google plans to become just an
>> IPv6 connectivity provider. Not sure how much this is worthwhile, but
>> funny food for thought at least)
>>
>> http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/2002/ipv6_world_waits.html why
>> the IPv6 switch was seen a "colossal chore" in 2002, probably some of
>> the reasons are still valid today, then there's the crisis which makes
>> less money available...
>>
>> Same for "The IPv6 mess": "Before clients can be safely deployed on
>> public IPv6 addresses, practically every server will have to learn how
>> to talk to those clients", http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
>>
>> Marco Fioretti
>> http://mfioretti.com
>> --
>> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
>> software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
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