[p2p-research] 21st Century Socialism: Eleven Talking Points

[Ryan Lanham]

I must admit I was radically in favor of globalism and open trade earlier in
my life because I saw it as a means of raising all boats.  But I now see it
as an unsustainable program.

And while I am deeply skeptical, I too found the paper compelling and see
the ATTAC way of life as more and more relevant--though it scares me.  It is
a bold idea that merits a place at the table in my view.

Ryan Lanham



On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

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>>        Hello,
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>>        I agree with Michel, we have to connect two traditions
>>        of fighting for freedom : one coming fromthe industrial
>>        age, as a fight for propertyand control over means of
>>        production and one emerging from the information age,
>>        refusing new enclosures over interllectual property
>>        and establishing new commons.
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> Hervé  I see what you mean. What you describe is an emerging system. One
> that creates whole new infrastructure for basic needs, from food production,
> to production of physical goods, to social governance rule systems, and
> massively open data streams about all of the dimensions of the envrionments
> we live it (social, ecological, economic, etc) This really combines
> information and industrial alternative systems into one system.
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> I spent some time reading through your paper, although I don't totally
> understad French, I was able to get an idea of what you are discussing. I
> had never heard of ATTAC previously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTAC
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> I can see how this is vital throughout Europe, as energies are better spent
> finding intersecting areas of interest, than defining differences, and
> socialist movements look to be strongly represented in Europe (but also in
> South and Central America, Asia, and small contingents in North America.)
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> I also wonder if it is plausible that where there is more government
> regulations directly on economics, banking, and individual business
> practice, agricultural practice, etc: there tends to be more political
> socialist activity? That is just a theory. That the pressure and contraints
> of over-governing with very little representation often sees political
> emregence of more traditional socialist and revolutionary poltical activism.
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> Meanwhile, supposedly de-regulated markets like the United States see an
> extreme of those with the most hoarded money having the most power within
> the system. Socialist activism doesn't emerge here so much (there were some
> flare-ups in the 1990's), but it is important to note that it *could* if
> regulation starts constraining emerging local commons-based economy
> movements.
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>>        I wrote an article on this subject, explaining to
>>        ones issued from the first model (the altermondialist
>>        association ATTAC) the new opportunities opened by
>>        the free software movement.
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>>        I'm sorry, it's in french, so few people can read this.
>>        But if it's of interest for some of you...
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>>        Yours,
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>> Hervé Le Crosnier
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