[p2p-research] Venture Communism or social capitalism

Mon May 4 05:19:33 CEST 2009

hi paola,

concerning ideology, it all depends what you mean,

if ideology means a set of beliefs, we all have them

(marxist use it as false consciousness to defend the material interests of a
particular group)

being post-idealogical can mean being open to different traditions and using
ideas independent of their original ideological source,

Michel

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:18 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Michel
>
> most interesting update
>  as yoou know I tend to shun political ideology , although  take a stance
> when I cant avoid it
>
> one can see things through a polical lense, and stick to them an
> ideological label,  or one can simply consider ideas and stances from a
> philosophical, or occupational viewpoint
>
> venture communism or social capitalism?
> I am not asking anone to chose, just contrasting
>
> Having spent long periods of study and work  in china ad vietnam, I do not
> consider communism an ideal to aspire to,
> in as much as I consider any regime anything that I would want to help to
> build, rather the contrary
>
> I strive for an ideology free world
>
> imagine
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
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>> Date: Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:24 AM
>> Subject: Venture Communism in Austria with Slum-TV
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>> On Venture Communism and Collective Ownership
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>> SLUM-TV proudly  invites
>> 1. May 2009. start +/-20:00 CET
>> midingo island @ donaufestival 09, krems, (A).
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>> as it is about strategies of survival - practicing for emergencies…
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>> intro / talk with dmitry kleiner, dr. richard barbrook
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>> society we live in, as societys everywhere and always, are composed of
>> social relationships. relationships of productions, in particular, form the
>> economic capacities required to impose social and political structures.  the
>> relation of productions constitutes the economic structure of society on
>> which arise the legal and political structures which define it. new kinds of
>> relations, if they create new productive relations, can possibly constitute
>> a new political and economic structure which is able to give rise to a new
>> kind of society.
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>> assuming that political change can only follow a change in the mode of
>> production, venture communism is such an attempt to create a mode of
>> production that will expand socialism by reducing the labour available to be
>> exploited by property. a form of revolutionary workers struggle, a mode of
>> production that is designed to shift the balance of power from property to
>> labour, so in the final endgame, the workers are allowed, eventually, to buy
>> back the entire world from capitalists.
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>> talks on 1.of may will cover differing and crucial aspects of these
>> concepts as practics, paralells and results so far,  especially analysing
>> and referring to associations as SLUM-TV is one, as telekommunisten is one
>> and as many others, still to come…
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