[p2p-research] the abundance of art

Sun May 3 23:47:06 CEST 2009

The only thing, Paola, is that works of art last forever (if not for
physical decay) while science is always disrupting itself...

I would say art is far more resilient than science and thus more real.

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:06 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Yet, Science is the pre-supposed knowledge, the constraint barriers, and
>> environment out of which Artistic creation attempts to evolve. Art is how
>> you first try to see beyond existing known science.
>>
>> So, there is a symbiotic relationship between Art and Science  that is
>> often un-acknowledged in much of existing academic thinking.
>>
>
>
> I think both are distinct ways to know the world, possibly different parts
> of it, and for different purposes, but I would definiltey agree that there
> is some scope for complementarity
>
> ps.
> I should have mentioned that the mother of the artist in question who
> owned  the clock, which after the creative transformation had lost its
> intended functionality, was not interested in uniqueness as such
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:38 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and you see you what I mean?  The light reflecting from a [future]
>>>> perfect replica will be exactly the same as the light reflecting from the
>>>> original from all angles and degrees... so why would the original be more
>>>> vauable. It's human nature
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I know what you mean, that due to our human nature we attach a
>>> higher value to an original, than to its copies even when absolutely
>>> perfectly the same.
>>>
>>> For me though, an original piece of art is not just the product, the
>>> exterior visible shape that we can see, but an intention, a 'first' a
>>> breakthrough of logical scheme perhaps, a step that has never been taken
>>> before, a way that reality has never been conceived or seen as before, and
>>> as such ti vibrates at a unique frequency. A real original piece of art, and
>>> I have seen only a few, has an essence that is not reproducible, because it
>>> was generated by unique circumstances, in a unique space/time conjunction,
>>> which was expressed in a unique/unprecedented brilliant form, and captured
>>> sculpted or painted and will stay there forever. So what I am trying to say
>>> is that the original and the copy are definitely not the same for me, even
>>> when the latter is perfect. I would be interested to  explore the
>>> possibility that its all in the mind though.
>>>
>>> Abundance is perhaps donating it to a foundation, making it accessible
>>> free of charge to everyone forever and having chairs next to it so that
>>> people can actually sit nearby, and allowing copies to be made and
>>> circulated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that, despite art itself being intrinsically abundant, the
>>>>> physical products of 'high art' (not the digital product), e.g. a Picasso
>>>>> painting, are given some kind of scarce quality by people (a spiritual,
>>>>> emotional or superstitious value) that makes them rare (or special) even if
>>>>> they can be replicated ad infinitum and in an exact manner .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> actually, I am not sure about replicability
>>>> Having seen a few original masterpieces, and their copies, a very
>>>> special energy and strenght emanates from the former
>>>> My definition of a work of art is that it is a unique, and communicates
>>>> some unique in a unique way
>>>>
>>>> this is why, I think, they are placed in public galleries where everyone
>>>> can enjoy them,  I will be interested in contrasting abundance vs uniqueness
>>>> in art, and maybe we could organise an exhibition one day about it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely related to p2p. The issue of why we create artificial
>>>>> scarcity or why we seek it is core to the p2p economy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 5:54 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> oh yes, found it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (sorry if not directly relevant to p2p, but definitely
>>>>>> a collective, and part of the commons imho)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just for completeness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the one i saw in Germany years ago was the Prinzhorn collection
>>>>>> http://www.prinzhorn.uni-hd.de/beispiele/himmel_eng.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> discussed here  in a broader context
>>>>>> http://www.gseart.com/exhibitions.asp?ExhID=455
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:35 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw an exhibition about ten year or so ago, not sure where
>>>>>>> but I seem to remember Germany, there is also an exhibition book
>>>>>>> going around,
>>>>>>> it was the most beautiful art work made by psychiatric patients
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure its the same or just similar
>>>>>>> but its on in London, lots of interesting links also to be found on
>>>>>>> the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wellcomecollection.org/press/2009/WTX053734.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if your,re clinically insane you can make great art
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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