[p2p-research] Venture Communism or social capitalism

[Dante-Gabryell Monson]

Paola ( cc: people on the research list : I hope you see this as a thread
and that it does not burden your email account )

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 9:04 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

> we have to be careful
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personally, always ready to re-question :-)


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> assuming your example, if i dont use my coat in the summer someone could
> take it away from me, or my spare computer while I use my newer one,


thats the kind of life I have lived in the last years, as a (
post-industrial ? ) nomad.

especially as carrying the accumulation of possessions while hitch hiking
"feels heavy" and "feels unsustainable" ( slows me down, makes me tired, and
leads to pain in my back and knees )

I also like to suggest some of the sentences on this site

http://nomadology.com


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> thats how potentially good ideas can become dangerous nonsense
> and I am glad that today there is a law to protect my private property


the question is : does the protection of private property ( and of the
accumulation of provate property ? ) increase or decrease the  access to
resources, and the capacity to co-create opportunities ?

from my own experience again, my whole nomadic lifestyle of the last years
was based on the optimization of resource use ( and of my autonomy through
increased interdependence ) through a distributed approach : for example -
hospitality, hitch hiking,  ...

using resources available wherever I ended up, when they where shared.



> although I dont own much, and I think there is faar too much
> accumulation/wast
>
> but what about having a collective coat bank, where all your unused coats
> are left for others to use, and you in turn can go and pick up an odd jacket
> when you need one?


yes, a free shop !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give-away_shop


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> that would presuppose that everyone would expect the same level of care,
> cleanliness, respect for the goods, then yes it could work


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> the big thorn is land and real estates, already enforces a right called
> usucapione (transfer of ownership, which derives from usufrutto (use of the
> fruit)... uti dominus perhaps?
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> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usufrutto
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> remember feudalism, when labourer would work the land in exchange for a
> bowl of rice at the end of the month?
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> it would be enough to increase the return of the labourer to a fair
> percentage, or fair share of returns, then the same system could work
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> I am sure there is a lot of scope for improving the way resources are used,
> and hopefully some way that would make everyone happy


yes, a lot of questions open regarding governance :-)
interesting paths we are opening, or re-opening.


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> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> from my current point of view,
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>> property of any individual could ideally be limited to what one uses.
>> hence not encouraging accumulation,
>> which possibly adds an incentive for quality ?
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>> example : if I use my computer, I own it.
>> if I have one old computer I do not use anymore, I am not entitled to its
>> property anymore.
>> although I could imagine I could perhaps have a say in the governance of
>> who makes future use of it ?
>>
>> but this opens up many more questions.
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>> who has access to the fruit of production capacity ?
>> consumers of the production ?
>> who are allowed to be the consumers of production ?
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>> How far stretches the definition of "using" ?
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>> Do I own the processing capacity of my computer that I do not use?
>> Do I own the hard disk capacity of my computer that I do not use ?
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>> I like Ryan's answer - how do we manage the governance of... the use of
>> property ?
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>> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
>>>
>>> > What property ideologies best support p2p emergence and sustainability?
>>>
>>> Is part of your question the the sub-question of *who* should be the
>>> owners?
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