[p2p-research] Venture Communism or social capitalism

[Dante-Gabryell Monson]

Paola,

nice to read your replies.
I m glad such dimensions can be shared through this list.
I hope others on the list find some interest in it.

I personally feel limited by words, and logic,
although they are great existing tools.
I sometimes find it fun to play with them,
but more and more appreciate the non-linear intuitive perceptions,
which are more difficult to express in a more linear logical process.

I look forward to some kind of ( immersive, emergent, spatial ? )
post-symbolic language that could enable much greater synthesis.

Some kind of big heuristic map with infinite dimensions that enables to see
all relations with all relations, at infinite levels of abstractions, browse
them, and build on them, enabling comparisons of dimensions of meaning
relations.

In such form of expression, especially when a great number of data bases
with a great diversity of relations would be connected,

one would could "decide" to "use" and build information all together and in
a more integral way, as every relation can be seen as having an impact on
all other relations in the dimensions of meaning of such post symbolic
language. ( in which processes, and the consicousness processes are being
experienced, could also be seen - I can send some axioms I dreamed of to
anyone interested )


On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:49 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dante
> thanks for picking up on issues
> indeed, many questions come up from unpacking the thread.
> more than I can physically handle
>
> I am glad you see that possibly we view the world through a karmic lens,
> and it is in light that I try to minimize my attachment to ideas and words
>
> When I was a teenager someone read to me a citation of I dont remember who,
> i think claude levy strauss, discussing how words ending in -ism and -ist
> tend to portray a certain type of idea, an exasperation of a concept,
>
> roughly as mentioned below
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism
>
> If someone knows what i am talking about and could send pointers would be
> appreciate
>
> I dont know where we mark the line between idea and ideology,
> and I am sure there is an interesting discussion there
>
> I think we see how politics and religion are manipulated, how politics
> become a self sustaining machine and just a self feeding beast,
>
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>
>
>> I often met people that try hard not to show any relation to "politics",
>> sometimes as they try to escape from any potential conflicting aspect
>> related to power.
>> ( third chakra ? )
>>
>
> depends where you want to direct your energies toward
>
>
>>
>> in relation to your last mail , citing you
>>
>> " take a stance when I cant avoid it  "
>> " I strive for an ideology free world "
>>
>> That sounds, from what I feel from it, like a stance and an ideology in
>> itself :-)
>
>
> hard to tell what is and what isnt, but  everything can be labelled as
> anything else to serve a purpose, and become an instrument of propaganda.
>
>>
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>> As for communist states in china and vietnam, as far as I know and in the
>> way I perceive it,
>> it are power structures using the ideology of communism. Some also combine
>> the ideology of capitalism and communism at the same time, as long as it
>> serves their ( non-democratic ? ) interests.
>
>
> i think the questions asked earlier, we need to define what we mean by the
> terms we use. I am afraid that these good people actually are pretty that
> they are communists, and I will leave that to you to work out
>
>
>
>>
>> Perhaps it might be of interest to examine points of view related to power
>> structures in any system.
>
>
> yes, power strucutre in any system is interesting
>
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>>
>> I would be interested in having access to more resources in such field of
>> comparison, although there are already some comparisons between systems on
>> p2pf wiki ?
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Governance
>>
>> the p2p meme, I have the impression, can in itself also be seen as an
>> ideology.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology
>>
>> From my point of view, distributed/p2p systems would ideally be used to
>> enable emergent autonomy of peers compared to any other specific node in the
>> system,
>> through distributed inter-dependence.
>
>
> yep
>
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>>
>> Yet it might also be interesting to examine potential cases where a
>> distributed p2p approach would go in favor of increased inequality of access
>> to resources and opportunities...
>
>
>  yep
>
>>
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>> It opens up the whole question of property.
>> What property ideologies best support p2p emergence and sustainability ?
>>
>> ... http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Property
>>
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> absolutely.
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