[p2p-research] Venture Communism or social capitalism

[paola.dimaio at gmail.com]

Dante
thanks for picking up on issues
indeed, many questions come up from unpacking the thread.
more than I can physically handle

I am glad you see that possibly we view the world through a karmic lens, and
it is in light that I try to minimize my attachment to ideas and words

When I was a teenager someone read to me a citation of I dont remember who,
i think claude levy strauss, discussing how words ending in -ism and -ist
tend to portray a certain type of idea, an exasperation of a concept,

roughly as mentioned below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism

If someone knows what i am talking about and could send pointers would be
appreciate

I dont know where we mark the line between idea and ideology,
and I am sure there is an interesting discussion there

I think we see how politics and religion are manipulated, how politics
become a self sustaining machine and just a self feeding beast,




> I often met people that try hard not to show any relation to "politics",
> sometimes as they try to escape from any potential conflicting aspect
> related to power.
> ( third chakra ? )
>

depends where you want to direct your energies toward


>
> in relation to your last mail , citing you
>
> " take a stance when I cant avoid it  "
> " I strive for an ideology free world "
>
> That sounds, from what I feel from it, like a stance and an ideology in
> itself :-)


hard to tell what is and what isnt, but  everything can be labelled as
anything else to serve a purpose, and become an instrument of propaganda.

>
>
> As for communist states in china and vietnam, as far as I know and in the
> way I perceive it,
> it are power structures using the ideology of communism. Some also combine
> the ideology of capitalism and communism at the same time, as long as it
> serves their ( non-democratic ? ) interests.


i think the questions asked earlier, we need to define what we mean by the
terms we use. I am afraid that these good people actually are pretty that
they are communists, and I will leave that to you to work out



>
> Perhaps it might be of interest to examine points of view related to power
> structures in any system.


yes, power strucutre in any system is interesting

>
>
> I would be interested in having access to more resources in such field of
> comparison, although there are already some comparisons between systems on
> p2pf wiki ?
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Governance
>
> the p2p meme, I have the impression, can in itself also be seen as an
> ideology.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology
>
> From my point of view, distributed/p2p systems would ideally be used to
> enable emergent autonomy of peers compared to any other specific node in the
> system,
> through distributed inter-dependence.


yep


>
>
> Yet it might also be interesting to examine potential cases where a
> distributed p2p approach would go in favor of increased inequality of access
> to resources and opportunities...


 yep

>
>
> It opens up the whole question of property.
> What property ideologies best support p2p emergence and sustainability ?
>
> ... http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Property
>



absolutely.
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