[p2p-research] Venture Communism or social capitalism

[Dante-Gabryell Monson]

Hi Paola

I often met people that try hard not to show any relation to "politics",
sometimes as they try to escape from any potential conflicting aspect
related to power.
( third chakra ? )

in relation to your last mail , citing you

" take a stance when I cant avoid it  "
" I strive for an ideology free world "

That sounds, from what I feel from it, like a stance and an ideology in
itself :-)

As for communist states in china and vietnam, as far as I know and in the
way I perceive it,
it are power structures using the ideology of communism. Some also combine
the ideology of capitalism and communism at the same time, as long as it
serves their ( non-democratic ? ) interests.

Perhaps it might be of interest to examine points of view related to power
structures in any system.

I would be interested in having access to more resources in such field of
comparison, although there are already some comparisons between systems on
p2pf wiki ?
http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Governance

the p2p meme, I have the impression, can in itself also be seen as an
ideology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

>From my point of view, distributed/p2p systems would ideally be used to
enable emergent autonomy of peers compared to any other specific node in the
system,
through distributed inter-dependence.

Yet it might also be interesting to examine potential cases where a
distributed p2p approach would go in favor of increased inequality of access
to resources and opportunities...

It opens up the whole question of property.
What property ideologies best support p2p emergence and sustainability ?

... http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Property

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Michel
>
> most interesting update
>  as yoou know I tend to shun political ideology , although  take a stance
> when I cant avoid it
>
> one can see things through a polical lense, and stick to them an
> ideological label,  or one can simply consider ideas and stances from a
> philosophical, or occupational viewpoint
>
> venture communism or social capitalism?
> I am not asking anone to chose, just contrasting
>
> Having spent long periods of study and work  in china ad vietnam, I do not
> consider communism an ideal to aspire to,
> in as much as I consider any regime anything that I would want to help to
> build, rather the contrary
>
> I strive for an ideology free world
>
> imagine
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:24 AM
>> Subject: Venture Communism in Austria with Slum-TV
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>> On Venture Communism and Collective Ownership
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>> SLUM-TV proudly  invites
>> 1. May 2009. start +/-20:00 CET
>> midingo island @ donaufestival 09, krems, (A).
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>> as it is about strategies of survival - practicing for emergencies…
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>> intro / talk with dmitry kleiner, dr. richard barbrook
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>> society we live in, as societys everywhere and always, are composed of
>> social relationships. relationships of productions, in particular, form the
>> economic capacities required to impose social and political structures.  the
>> relation of productions constitutes the economic structure of society on
>> which arise the legal and political structures which define it. new kinds of
>> relations, if they create new productive relations, can possibly constitute
>> a new political and economic structure which is able to give rise to a new
>> kind of society.
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>> assuming that political change can only follow a change in the mode of
>> production, venture communism is such an attempt to create a mode of
>> production that will expand socialism by reducing the labour available to be
>> exploited by property. a form of revolutionary workers struggle, a mode of
>> production that is designed to shift the balance of power from property to
>> labour, so in the final endgame, the workers are allowed, eventually, to buy
>> back the entire world from capitalists.
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>> talks on 1.of may will cover differing and crucial aspects of these
>> concepts as practics, paralells and results so far,  especially analysing
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