[p2p-research] Obama's reversal of promises = pathological lying?

[Michel Bauwens]

Hi Marc,

perhaps I was less disappointed because the dual nature of the Obama victory
was to be expected,

what I'm saying is that 'progressive' forces should critically support the
obama admin against more hostile forces, while keeping pressure to bear in
all the cases where the Admin does not go in the sense of the promises and
expectations ...

politicians are sensible to pressure, and I had a talk in Milan with people
given examples of how unions made him back away from certain measures
already ...

in politics, there may be better, but there is always almost certainly worse
as well!



On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:01 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was "triggered" violently by two things in that video (which is over the
> top for sure)
>
> 1. His Chief of Staff saying that if you're on the no fly zone then you are
> not one of us and you're a terrorist. My girlfriend is on the no fly list.
> She's born here. American blood. Her family came here in 1700s. She had
> participated in anti-war demonstrations. Every time we go to the airport
> it's one big fiasco. To say that she and people like her are terrorists is
> BLIND and DANGEROUS to the extreme as far as liberty goes.
>
> 2. The "civilian security force" he is advocating for and the basic
> training. I had lived in a country that implemented those same schemes and
> then got into war within 3-5 years after that. This triggers me to the
> extreme as I have seen such preparation come before disaster, not after.
>
> 3. Broadcasting an official presidential campaign message (on TV) that says
> NAFTA was a mistake then turning to the Canadians and saying that it's just
> campaign rhetoric.
>
> Because I am triggered by these two events, my trust in Obama is null and
> void.
>
> You do have a point in being level headed and applying pressure especially
> since he has the upper hand and will continue to have the upper hand no
> matter how many people get triggered and angered.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> no politician that I know of would be able to keep all of his promises ...
>>
>> his record is mixed, and he's broken a number of them,
>>
>> but to call that pathological, i.e. singling him out as extreme, seems
>> over the top, as is the rest of this conspiracy video ...
>>
>> I think that a balanced judgment would require different sources and a
>> more level-headed judgment of what he's done or not ..
>>
>> of course, his administration stance on the RIAA and other matters is
>> problematic,
>>
>> a critical stance, coupled with self-organizing activity and pressure on
>> the administration by the social forces that elected him, would still seem
>> the right option,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> 2009/3/23 marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>
>>
>>>
>>> Skip to 45:00 minutes through the video and wait for a recount of of
>>> Obama's reversal of promises.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
>>>
>>> Then forward to 1:01:00 and watch Greenspan saying on PBS that the
>>> Federal Reserve is above the President and above Congress.
>>>
>>> Seeing how pathological lying (or pathological reversal of promises)
>>> allowed people that I know intimately to manipulate and deceive their
>>> employees, partners, and investors and as a result profit in the tens of
>>> millions of dollars I can see clearly why Obama finds it tempting and
>>> irresistible to use the same method.
>>>
>>> In fact, one can argue that mega success in America is achieved through
>>> pathological lying, manipulation and legally protected theft.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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