[p2p-research] Fwd: building on japanese p2p economics research ?

Thu Mar 5 11:55:05 CET 2009

Dear Kenji

Take your time, your technical work is probably beyond my understanding, but
some others in our community might find it of great interest, as it seems
you are on the leading edge in Japan, something I was unaware of so far.

So more information needs to stream about your work and that of your
colleagues.

I'm copying a friend who monitors open p2p meshworks (sepp) and robin may
want to report on your work through his media empire (I'm saying this
without kidding, masternewmedia.org is impressive)

I hope you can update us 2-3 times per year on how this work is progressing,

Michel

I have been organizing a series of international workshops
on dependability and sustainability of P2P systems
http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/
and I have been working with many of those Japanese
researchers who appear in the programs.
For example,
http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/pdf/DAS-P2P2009invited.pdf
might be of interest to you.
Also, we form IDEON (Integrated Distributed Environment
with Overlay Network) working group within the WIDE Project
http://www.wide.ad.jp/project/wg/IDEON.html
where many of activities in the areas of practical P2P
applications are gathered.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Kenji Saito <ks91 at sfc.wide.ad.jp> wrote:

> Dear Michel,
>
> Thank you very much indeed for your message.
> Since you have already the URL
> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/
> and especially
> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html.en
> You have most information in English on the work
> Mr. Morino and I have been doing.
> The software is already working, and there have been
> some practical applications, although not as much as
> there should be.
>
> Please give me a couple of days before I can give you
> a status report in P2P situations in Japan in general.
> As a quick note,
> I have been organizing a series of international workshops
> on dependability and sustainability of P2P systems
> http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/
> and I have been working with many of those Japanese
> researchers who appear in the programs.
> For example,
> http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/pdf/DAS-P2P2009invited.pdf
> might be of interest to you.
> Also, we form IDEON (Integrated Distributed Environment
> with Overlay Network) working group within the WIDE Project
> http://www.wide.ad.jp/project/wg/IDEON.html
> where many of activities in the areas of practical P2P
> applications are gathered.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Kenji
>
> At 18:32 +0700 09.3.4, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
>> Dear Kenji,
>>
>> At the P2P Foundation, we are interested in all kinds of developments
>> towards p2p infrastructures and I recently came across some of your work,
>>
>> I would be very interested in a status report, not just about how your own
>> work and project have evolved, but about the p2p situation in Japan
>> generally,
>>
>> all pointers to english-language material would be useful,
>>
>> P2P Foundation: <http://p2pfoundation.net>http://p2pfoundation.net - <
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net>http://blog.p2pfoundation.net - <
>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com>http://p2pfoundation.ning.com
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Sepp Hasslberger <<mailto:sepp at lastrega.com>sepp at lastrega.com>
>> Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: building on japanese p2p economics research ?
>> To: Michel Bauwens <<mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Peer-To-Peer Research List <<mailto:p2presearch at listcultures.org>
>> p2presearch at listcultures.org>, Dante-Gabryell Monson <<mailto:
>> dante.monson at gmail.com>dante.monson at gmail.com>, marc fawzi <<mailto:
>> marc.fawzi at gmail.com>marc.fawzi at gmail.com>, Robin Good <<mailto:
>> robingood at gmail.com>robingood at gmail.com>, Marcin Jakubowski <<mailto:
>> joseph.dolittle at gmail.com>joseph.dolittle at gmail.com>
>>
>> Michel,
>>
>> here is Kenji Saito's email from one of the documents:
>>
>> <mailto:ks91 at sfc.wide.ad.jp>ks91 at sfc.wide.ad.jp
>>
>> I have read the document
>>
>> Peer-to-Peer Money:
>> Free Currency over the Internet
>>
>> by Kenji Saito, and I find it is a proposal for a currency that can be
>> used on the internet, but there does not seem to have been any practical
>> implementation, and programming steps are needed before it is ready for use.
>> There may have been other developments after that paper as indeed there are
>> other papers, but I do not have time right now to get into those.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Sepp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/feb/09, at 06:50, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>>  Dante has uncovered very advanced Japanese research on energy-backed p2p
>>> currencies and economic exchange systems
>>>
>>> see especially here: <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html.en>
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html.en
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that someone in our network has a little extra time to explore
>>> this further ... bad timing for me as after this 10 holiday, I have a 3 week
>>> lecture tour ...
>>>
>>> Seems important to connect with this work in Japan,
>>>
>>> If someone can find Kenji Saito or Eiichi Morino's email addresses, I'd
>>> be happy to connect,
>>>
>>> Michel Bauwens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.      Kenji Saito, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/i-wat-dissertation.pdf>i-WAT: The
>>> Internet WAT System -- An Architecture for Maintaining Trust and
>>> Facilitating Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships --, Ph.D. Thesis, Graduate
>>> School of Media and Governance, Keio University, February, 2006
>>> 2.      Kenji Saito, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/hsi2003-i-wat.pdf>Peer-to-Peer
>>> Money: Free Currency over the Internet, Proceedings of the Second
>>> International Conference on Human.Society at Internet (HSI 2003), Lecture
>>> Notes in Computer Science 2713, June, 2003, pp.404-414 (Springer
>>> Publications)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <<mailto:dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>> dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Feb 27, 2009 10:17 PM
>>> Subject: building on japanese p2p economics research ?
>>> To: Michel Bauwens <<mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, marc fawzi <<mailto:marc.fawzi at gmail.com>
>>> marc.fawzi at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> After the Asian Economic Crisis some 10 years ago,
>>> some Japanese seem to have been deepening their research in fields we are
>>> only starting to think about in the last years...
>>>
>>> Including in the field of p2p energy backed monetary creation ...
>>>
>>> We already mentioned the WAT some time ago on this p2pf blog post
>>>
>>> <
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/do-we-need-energy-backed-currencies/2009/01/28
>>> >
>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/do-we-need-energy-backed-currencies/2009/01/28
>>>
>>> at that time I might not have googled "Eiichi Morino" ...
>>>
>>> I did today, and answers are very interesting ... ( also pasted below )
>>>
>>> <http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html>
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html
>>>
>>> <
>>> http://www.google.be/search?q=wat+Eiichi+Morino&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.gnu.gnuzilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
>>> >
>>> http://www.google.be/search?q=wat+Eiichi+Morino&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.gnu.gnuzilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Publications on i-WAT
>>>
>>> <http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a2>>> Papers
>>> <http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a3>>> Reports
>>>  >> Papers
>>>
>>> Year 2008
>>>
>>> Kenji Saito and Eiichi Morino <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/das-p2p2008-ssc.pdf>Local
>>> Production, Local Consumption Storage Economics for Peer-to-Peer Systems,
>>> Proceedings of 2008 International Symposium on Applications and the Internet
>>> (SAINT 2008) Workshops, July 2008, pp.221-224 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Year 2007
>>>
>>> Yoshihiko Suko, Eiichi Morino, Susumu Takahashi, Takaaki Suzuki, Kenji
>>> Saito and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/das-p2p2007-pcr.pdf>Peer-to-Peer
>>> Economics for Post Catastrophic Recovery, Proceedings of 2007 International
>>> Symposium on Applications and the Internet Workshops (SAINTW'07), January
>>> 2007, p.65 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino, Yoshihiko Suko, Takaaki Suzuki and Jun Murai,
>>> <http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/das-p2p2007-lplc.pdf>Local
>>> Production, Local Consumption Peer-to-Peer Architecture for a Dependable and
>>> Sustainable Social Infrastructure, Proceedings of 2007 International
>>> Symposium on Applications and the Internet Workshops (SAINTW'07), January
>>> 2007, p.58 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Year 2006
>>>
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/ap2pc2005-i-wat.pdf>Incentive-Compatibility
>>> in a Distributed Autonomous Currency System, Agents and Peer-to-Peer
>>> Computing (AP2PC 2005), LNAI 4118, 2006, pp.44-57 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a8>Springer
>>> Publications)
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/das-p2p2006-fair-trading.pdf>Fair
>>> Trading of Information: A Proposal for the Economics of Peer-to-Peer
>>> Systems, Proceedings of the First International Workshop on Dependable and
>>> Sustainable Peer-to-Peer Systems (DAS-P2P 2006), April, 2006, pp.764-771 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/ares2006-no-risk-unsafe.pdf>No Risk
>>> is Unsafe: Simulated Results on Dependability of Complementary Currencies,
>>> Proceedings of the First International Conference on Availability,
>>> Reliability and Security, April, 2006, pp.701-708 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Kenji Saito, <http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/i-wat-dissertation.pdf>i-WAT:
>>> The Internet WAT System -- An Architecture for Maintaining Trust and
>>> Facilitating Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships --, Ph.D. Thesis, Graduate
>>> School of Media and Governance, Keio University, February, 2006
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/ieice-rot.pdf>Reduction Over Time to
>>> Facilitate Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships, IEICE TRANSACTIONS on
>>> Information and Systems, Vol.E89-D, No.1, January, 2006, pp.181-188 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a9>IEICE
>>> Publications; approval no. 07RB0030; copyright ゥ 2006 IEICE)
>>> Year 2005
>>>
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/pdmst2005-mot.pdf>Multiplication
>>> Over Time to Facilitate Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships, Proceedings of
>>> the 2nd International Workshop on P2P Data Management, Security and Trust
>>> (PDMST '05), August, 2005, pp.785-789 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/ap2pc2005-i-wat.pdf>Incentive-Compatibility
>>> in a Distributed Autonomous Currency System, Proceedings of the Fourth
>>> International Workshop on Agents and Peer-to-Peer Computing (AP2PC 2005),
>>> July, 2005, pp.44-57
>>> Kenji Saito, Eiichi Morino and Jun Murai, <
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/csac2005-rot.pdf>Reduction Over
>>> Time: Easing the Burden of Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships to Facilitate
>>> Mutual Help, Proceedings of the Second International Workshop on Computer
>>> Supported Activity Coordination (CSAC 2005), May, 2005, pp.27-37
>>> Kenji Saito, <http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/ieice-wot4wat.pdf>WOT
>>> for WAT: Spinning the Web of Trust for Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships,
>>> IEICE TRANSACTIONS on Communication, Vol.E88-B, No.4, April, 2005,
>>> pp.1503-1510 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a9>IEICE
>>> Publications; approval no. 07RB0029; copyright ゥ 2005 IEICE)
>>> Year 2004
>>>
>>> Kenji Saito, <http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/p2pi2004-trust.pdf>Maintaining
>>> Trust in Peer-to-Peer Barter Relationships, Proceedings of 2004 Symposium on
>>> Applications and the Internet (SAINT 2004 Workshops), IEEE Computer Society
>>> Press, January, 2004, pp.582-588 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a5>IEEE
>>> Publications)
>>> Year 2003
>>>
>>> Kenji Saito, <http://www.media-art-online.org/pdf/hsi2003-i-wat.pdf>Peer-to-Peer
>>> Money: Free Currency over the Internet, Proceedings of the Second
>>> International Conference on Human.Society at Internet (HSI 2003), Lecture
>>> Notes in Computer Science 2713, June, 2003, pp.404-414 (<
>>> http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/research/papers.html#a8>Springer
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