[p2p-research] Money is used by people to obstruct far greater fears

[marc fawzi]

By "a better world" I meant one made of empowered peers, not parent->child
relationships (e.g. state->citizen.)

I should also say that the dependence on money (or on relationship to money)
as a way to obfuscate deeper fears may be more start out as psychological
then end up being neurophysiological, so throwing people into a new future
world where they can be truly empowered as peers may suddenly bring up a lot
of up-till-then hidden fears and self doubt the effect of which makes some
people want to go back to today's world or confront their own insecurities.

I think about these things because I want to understand my _own_
relationship to money (me being on the counter-phobic side of the equation,
where I tend to hrow money out of the window, at least up to this
realization about the deeper fears)

So I'm not just an observer but also embedded in the equation and I use the
thinking exercises and model development as a way to evolve my understanding
of 'our' psychological relationship to money.

Casting money as a mechanism rather than a drug is possible of course but it
can't be complete without the understanding the psychology of our
relationship to [today's] money]

Marc

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or to put it in more dramatic terms: "he who controls the spice controls
> the universe"  (Dune)
>
> In this case, the spice has been adapted by the people as a way to
> obfuscate their deeper realities.
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> Obviously, there is always "more to it..."
>
> But like you said, it doesn't make the conclusion wrong.
>
> There's a complex psychological dependence on money that counters the
> intuition that if money was removed or if everyone can get anything they
> want at cost then the world will be a better place. It can be, but not until
> people become aware of the complexity of their psychological dependence on
> money.
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The relationship man has with "money" is one where man uses money to
>>> obfuscate far deeper fears.
>>>
>>> Marc
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>> Interesting. Clare W Graves (http://clarewgraves.com) theorized that
>> money, laws, and other technologies and patterns associated with
>> civilization tended to emerge among people who were shifting to a more
>> group-centric approach.
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>> One can argue that the emotion of fear has roots all the way back to the
>> first vertebrates (comparative neuroanatomy recent findings, could provide
>> reference if you care). So, all of us vertebrates are evolving ways to
>> obfuscate fear. The core of our brains (going all the way back to fish)
>> creates the emotion of "fear".
>>
>> Money could be included in "ways to obfuscate fear". So, I am not saying
>> you are wrong, but that there is a little more to it, I believe. One other
>> factor to consider is what Ross Mayfield calls the "ecosystem of networks"
>> http://www.communitywiki.org/EcosystemOfNetworks  that shows that
>> currency is a system that is instituted (often from the top down) among
>> larger networks of people.
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>> I don't know the history of every currency, but I believe that most of
>> them do not come about in a democratized way. So, rulers, governments, etc
>> thoughout the ages have recognized that a way to mediate their rule in the
>> larger networks of 1000's + is via a "broadcast" medium. I contend that
>> government issue currency is an early example of such a broadcast medium.
>> ("Medium" in this case being used in a "Media Ecology" defined context). So,
>> to consolidate rule, governments issue currencies.
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>> "Long ago, we brought you all this fire.
>> Do not imagine we are still chained to that rock...."
>>
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