[p2p-research] Open Source Design Hydrogen Car

[Ryan Lanham]

It is a very small fuel cell.  Hydrogen is clearly the way to go.  Yes,
nuclear, yes OTEC, yes NG and Methane.  We'll need them all.  Carbon is a
problem but its one we aren't going to avoid.  So get used to hot.

Saw the latest and greatest solar tiles advertised today.  Main ingredient
Cadmium.  Not good.  Lifespan was a decent 25 years however.  If science
could do much better with, say a graphene-derived technology, I could see
solar playing a role on a decentralized basis.

Ryan


On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Stan Rhodes <stanleyrhodes at gmail.com>wrote:

> Did you notice:
> "The lightweight Smart car-size vehicle uses hydrogen in a modest 6kW fuel
> cell, and – in the case of this prototype – uses hydrogen converted from
> natural gas. Hydrogen can also be created from water using electrolysis and
> potentially even from bio-fuels."
>
> Heh, talk about inefficient fuel production.  Quick impressions.
>
> Natural gas reformation to hydrogen captures more energy than using
> combustion to generate power, I believe.  If you have to use nat gas, not a
> bad way to go, but you're still using a fossil fuel, still generating a
> bunch of CO2.  Plans have been to pump the CO2 into the ground. No one's
> sure how easy it is to contain that volume of gas, and if it suddenly
> erupts, you suffocate everyone around it, like the Lake Nyos incident.
>
> Electrolysis is wasteful, although high temp is isn't bad.  Need a lot of
> heat, and the best way to do that is Gen IV nuclear plants, online around
> 2030.
>
> Biofuels into hydrogen. Sure, you can use biofuels or ethanol to make H,
> which also produces CO, CO2, and methane.  Plus you need the biol feedstock
> to make the fuel, which uses fertilizer from nat gas plants.  Biofuel as a
> mainstream solution has been debunked over and over, and even by the guy who
> won the nobel for photosynthesis research.
>
> Just give the car plug-in batteries until the hydrogen tech's there; it's
> meant to be a city vehicle.  If the bike-modders going from gas to electric
> get their hands on the open source designs, we may see the car industry
> collapse even more rapidly.  Here's hoping these people are serious about
> open source being free as in beer, as the article states.
>
> -- Stan
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> http://gas2.org/2009/06/16/open-source-hydrogen-car-takes-to-the-road/
>>
>> Ryan
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