[p2p-research] Open Source Ecology

Tue Jun 16 12:07:58 CEST 2009

to bounce on Michel's Village Forge suggestion,

I feel like reminding this other open source project focused on architecture
:

http://www.openarchitecturenetwork.org/

which includes a number of listed open source projects

http://www.openarchitecturenetwork.org/projects/results

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Franz,
>
> if I may suggest a possible way forward,
>
> I think a priority should be at this stage, that you and Marcin create a
> VillageForge, where the different projects can be described, and designs and
> progress reports can be listed, not just by Marcin, but by anybody living in
> the world interested in similar projects ...
>
> I think this is the necesary first step in globalizing the effort,
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> After years of living on the edge I have seen that not everything moves as
>> fast or willingly as me.
>>
>> I am so appreciative of the fact that the group here is, as a group,
>> investing in infrastructure than can carry any currency, that it's difficult
>> to put into words.  I mean, for all the talk going on, thos thing is ONLINE
>> NOW! W00t!
>>
>> As a group they are aware that we must prove profress and a useful
>> solution and tgat there are mire and better steps after we hit the first
>> goals.
>>
>> I'll stay in touch about Iceland Smari.  I checked flights after returning
>> from Oekonux and I will again very soon.  Bet on it ;)
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 18:27, Smári McCarthy <smari at anarchism.is> wrote:
>>
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>>> Awesome. Although I like the idea of "alternative currencies", I think
>>> there is more inherent value in "currencies"* and we should be focusing
>>> on non-scarce replacements for current monetary systems. That said, I
>>> haven't been doing a lot of work on this recently, mostly due to lack of
>>> stimulus and too many other things going on.
>>>
>>> This week I'm meeting with Icelandic government officials on switching
>>> over to free software. This has an estimated government spending
>>> reduction of about 3.1-3.7 billion kronas annually just on licensing
>>> costs, not to mention the increased sustainability and trade benefits.
>>>
>>> Apart from that there are motions in action to start a cooperative ISP
>>> in Iceland which aims, broadly, to decommoditise uplink, putting it back
>>> into the infrastructure realm. This is important, because you don't
>>> build systems upon commodities, you build it on infrastructure.
>>> Regardless of your active value statement** you have to admit that value
>>> grows faster when the underlying elements are givens.
>>>
>>> Alex: You should drop by Iceland on your way back if you have the
>>> option. The level of madness that could ensue from this would be
>>> spectacular. If not, fair enough, we've got plenty of time.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Smári
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * "Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to
>>> work? Medicine." - Tim Minchin
>>>
>>> ** Mine is formulating to be: Every increase in redundancy results in a
>>> decrease in requisite effort. More on this later.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Rollin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice!
>>>>
>>>> I am in Santa Rosa at the moment working on a prototype alternate
>>>> currency system with a coop that is working towards the ability to
>>>> purchase and manage 'rival goods' for the common good.  I flew here from
>>>> Amsterdam to work on the project.  Very fun!
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> 2009/6/14 Smári McCarthy <smari at anarchism.is <mailto:smari at anarchism.i
>>>> s>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with Franz here. I thank him for the kind words about my
>>>> most recent rant, but the rant itself highlights a certain problem: I
>>>> am, much like many people here, much better at ranting on endlessly
>>>> about the theoretical points than making good of them on a practical
>>>> level. Whilst the theoretical musings are very very important, if they
>>>> aren't backed up with proof of concept and running code (to borrow a
>>>> phrase) it isn't worth a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Open Source Ecology and Global Villages and so on are really doing the
>>>> gruntwork here. There's lots and lots of running code. What we need to
>>>> do collectively is map out that code, see what's working and why, and
>>>> start mapping our theoretical insights onto proofs of concept. There's
>>>> plenty of things that are working that we don't understand, and there's
>>>> plenty of things that aren't working for reasons that we do understand.
>>>>
>>>> Bridge the gap, people!
>>>>
>>>> - Smári
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Franz Nahrada wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Michel I cant do anything but fly over the messages in P2P
>>>>>
>>>> research
>>>>
>>>>> from time to time; the discussion is really interesting (especially I
>>>>> liked Smaris rant about anarchism with many good insights). but
>>>>>
>>>> for me at
>>>>
>>>>> least part of the discussion is less important than the practical
>>>>> experiment. I think it is utterly important to rally around common
>>>>> activities or ongoing projects and describe them better. Let us
>>>>>
>>>> demand to
>>>>
>>>>> test what really works. It could as belief-blowing as a succesful
>>>>>
>>>> test of
>>>>
>>>>> nuclear fusion, and similarily uncomfortable and disturbing even
>>>>>
>>>> for the
>>>>
>>>>> enlightened mind. For example, I think we will not have a satisfactory
>>>>> answer to the money problem unless we really put different
>>>>>
>>>> proposals to
>>>>
>>>>> work out in regional scale (including what I still would prefer to
>>>>> describe as non-reciprocal gift economies, commons-based contribution
>>>>> economies and other schemes, keeping in mind that really the property
>>>>> question remains n fact central). And we all as different as we
>>>>>
>>>> are have a
>>>>
>>>>> clearly defined common interest to let such things like experiments in
>>>>> social innovation happen, and at a higher level, we should be able to
>>>>> formulate such an interest and give it political form - and also
>>>>>
>>>> give some
>>>>
>>>>> part of our energy to the promotion of such experiments. Never
>>>>>
>>>> before the
>>>>
>>>>> public ear has been more receptive to such proposals, but I see
>>>>>
>>>> more than
>>>>
>>>>> ever before nothing but idiots dominating the political scene who just
>>>>> claim to have a clue to everything.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  This has to change radically. There is incredible thirst for another
>>>>> anwer. And I hope that we will be able to discuss that soon when
>>>>>
>>>> we meet.
>>>>
>>>>  Furthermore and regarding the currently most promising social
>>>>>
>>>> experiment
>>>>
>>>>> and its implications, I issued a post on the globalvillages list
>>>>>
>>>> and added
>>>>
>>>>> a second one to stimulate our communities to take part in the critical
>>>>> phase of transformation of Open Source Ecology into a virtual global
>>>>> endavour. Its simply not true that developments like these could
>>>>>
>>>> happen
>>>>
>>>>> spontaneusly, it needs a lot of help and participation and critical
>>>>> cooperation of intellectuals and bright minds. I see my function as a
>>>>> door-opener who facilitates mental and communicational bridges between
>>>>> people and the many meaningful movements that construct the
>>>>>
>>>> patterns of
>>>>
>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  In this sense, I would just like to draw your attention and the
>>>>>
>>>> attention
>>>>
>>>>> of all readers of the p2presearch list to the following two posts:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/message/4004
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  where I describe the current phase of the project and ask for
>>>>> participation in a particular project
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/message/4016
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  where I seek to make a point against underestimation of this
>>>>>
>>>> movement also
>>>>
>>>>> within our own circles.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  both posts are meant for broader distribution.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Franz
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Alex
>>>> I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.- Socrates
>>>>
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