[p2p-research] Open Money Ning

Mon Jun 8 04:37:23 CEST 2009

Hi Ryan,

I agree with you on Wave,

you may have noticed I'm not quick to jump on tools as  'world-changing',
but I think Wave will fall in that category because it's so integrative ...

Mark: I created http://p2pfoundation.net/Loom to explain Loom in our wiki,
thanks for checking it out.

For our blog, I really need something for absolute beginners and perhaps
centered around: what problem does it solve, how does it fit in the broad
history of money?

Michel

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My own feeling is we need to go back and discuss thoroughly what we mean by
> "money."  Tokens, coupons, certificates, etc. all factor in this.  Money
> should have certain characteristics in my view.  It should be fungible.  It
> should be transferable with liquidity.  Liquidity is probably the real
> question area.
>
> Twollars is a sort of coupon earned for reputation.  Reputation rankings
> are a form of value storage.  We don't understand these things.  Marx and
> Keynes have little to offer us on the topic.  Someone's going to have to do
> some original theory, I'm afraid.  The Internet is giving us a whole new set
> of headaches.
>
> Stan, I share your interest in Wave.  It is shocking.  I think the world is
> literally going to shake when people start figuring out the meaning of the
> whole thing.  I'm not sure how...but I'm sure it will be big.  Knowledge
> management is definitely going to evolve from a static base (a wikipedia
> article) to something resembling a wikipedia article history...but that's
> not right either.  I think it is going to have real implications for science
> and how science is done.
>
> I hope I am not made ridiculous by the true outcomes...I am rarely prone to
> real hyperbole, but I would argue that Wave is one to watch more than most
> in the past several years.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Stan Rhodes <stanleyrhodes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Re: Twollars, see commentary by Stan Schroder:
>> http://mashable.com/2009/05/26/twollars/
>> Alan Rosenblith:
>> http://newcurrencyfrontiers.blogspot.com/search/label/twollars
>>
>> I suspect twollars is little league to prepare for using Google Wave
>> to make Wavoleons or Wavebux or obs or whatever.  They didn't know
>> about Wave when they started, but I'd be surprised if they don't have
>> their eye on it now.
>>
>> So, if we look at possible next moves in the arms race:
>> 1. money moves into the internet via projects that are building open
>> money systems
>> 2. open money systems that are easiest to use and access by the
>> mainstream is adopted rapidly by the tech savvy for small transactions
>> 3. diverse money systems are created, but only a few are used, moves
>> quickly toward one
>> 4. they're used for all sorts of legal and illegal activities
>> 5. governments go after traders, like China did with QQ coins
>> 6. organized crime increasingly tries to squeeze in as the buying
>> power increases
>> 7. governments, particularly the United States, strikes at two points
>> in the infrastructure: businesses and ISPs
>> 8. people route around businesses with virtual enterprises, and route
>> around ISPs via peer open telecom tech
>> 9. the "rickroll" becomes the world's first true global currency after
>> a scandal with "lollars"
>>
>> -- Stan
>>
>> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Michel Bauwens<michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Ryan,
>> >
>> > If you ever feel like reporting on twollars and derivatives, it's an
>> area I
>> > still don't understand much ... when I originally looked, it looked more
>> > like a game, like the ones played on facebook, i.e. poking and hugging
>> and
>> > such  ... If you think it is important and has potential, thanks for
>> > explaining,
>> >
>> > Michel
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/10/09, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is on the Open Money Ning
>> >>
>> >> onewhouse has sent you a message on openmoney
>> >>
>> >> Hi Everyone,
>> >> So excited, here is why! Launched CarbonTwollar Experiment to Twitter.
>> Was
>> >> hoping for a future "Give CarbonTwollar" for @[bravesoul] for
>> #[Deceptively
>> >> simple and genuine grassroots act] in #ResourceSaving and/or
>> >> #PollutionSaving syntax to take root. Twitter founder Eiso Kant
>> connected
>> >> back, loves the idea and very encouraging. So watch the space or the
>> idea to
>> >> grow and hopefully gather some momentum...
>> >> Here the Tweet nest:
>> >> https://twitter.com/CarbonTwollar
>> >> More on the 4-step experiment at Placemark:
>> >> http://www.placemark.com.au/carbontwollar.html
>> >> Warmly,
>> >>
>> >> Ryan Lanham
>> >> rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>> >> Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
>> >>
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