[p2p-research] Collapse

[Ryan Lanham]

Consumption is a positive in that it motivates concerned action.  This is
the hunters are the best conservationists argument.  There is good reason to
believe concerned parties do self-regulate.  My former teacher, Joe
Rees wrote a well-received book on this called "Hostages of Each Other"
about nuclear power self-regulation after 3 Mile Island.  His argument was
that complex systems are a sort of commons where communitarian action (he
was a student of Philip Selznick) is the most effective regulatory system.
The work has been influential in government regulatory circles and in law
research related to regulation.  Fishing should theoretically orient itself
in the same way.

Ironically, it was the Soviets who invented factory fishing.

I agree the book is a great one...

Ryan





On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Tomas,
>
> there are solutions to both issues that jared addresses,
>
> are you aware of equal share fishing, not sure about the exact name, a
> commons approach to fishing which has successfully solved overfishing in
> some areas?
>
> cap and dividend would be a similar approach to climate change (different
> from cap and trade),
>
> I can provide details of both,
>
> but how do you see consumption as a positive force?
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Tomas Rawlings <tom at fluffylogic.net>wrote:
>
>> I am reading Jared Diamond's book Collapse: How societies choose to fail
>> or survive.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(book)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_%28book%29>
>>
>> An interesting read, which in the section on what we can do to aviod
>> collapse there are some interesting points re commons and peers.  The points
>> he makes are;
>> - If people perceived that the commons, far from being common is somebody
>> else problem, then they won't act effectively.  But where people feel a
>> value of the commons and know the impact, they can join an act more
>> effectively.  So the climate, a commons, but people don't see it as such?
>> - Even if people know that an action (e.g. overfishing) may damage a
>> commons, if the perception is that somebody else will do the damage if that
>> individual does not anyway (so if fisherman A does not catch the fish
>> worrying about overfishing, then fisherman B will), they there is a personal
>> loss to them while there is no change in the overall health of the commons.
>>  (I have seen examples of this issue being overcome, i.e. if a fisherman
>> catches a pregnant lobster, it is kept alive and taken to a holding area to
>> give birth then claimed by the fisherman, but the young are still in the
>> commons)
>> - the consumption end is potentially a good force for positive action, but
>> they would need to be unified to act - a point for peers perhaps?
>>
>> Anyway, it is an interesting book!
>>
>> --
>> Tomas
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