[p2p-research] pushbutton web

Thu Jul 30 18:27:15 CEST 2009

thanks Smari, this is really interesting, and confirms my own experience
that each tool has its own uses, culture, expectations ... you can't simply
translate from one to the other, doing the same things ... I think you have
to do different things with the different media ... but most of all, be 'in
control' of your choices, not blindly follow all the fashions ...

Michel

2009/7/30 Smári McCarthy <smari at anarchism.is>

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> I am part of Facebook's universe, it is not part of mine. That is to
> say, Facebook cannot exist without me and you and us, but conversely
> Facebook benefits my existence very little beyond that which could be
> achieved by the other mechanisms that I already have at my disposal.
>
> However, I participate in Facebook knowing that a lot of my peers use it
> as a source of information. Wheras I follow e-mail, they follow status
> updates. It peeves me that so many of my close peers are members of the
> cult of brevity, but that's their choice and they're entitled to make
> it. I also follow Twitter - an offspring of the brevity cult - and post
> to it irregularly. For the benefit of those I associate with, I have
> Twitter posts syndicated to Facebook automagically.
>
> The downside of this is that my Twitter-audience is generally very much
> aware of the kind of things I do and understand them to a high degree,
> whereas my Facebook audience generally doesn't understand what I do and
> even mock it. An example of this was yesterday when I posted "Industry
> 2.0 core features? Post-scarcity, self-organization, peer production,
> decentralization... what else?" to Twitter, and an old mathematician
> friend of mine replied, "why don't you just stop speaking nonsense?"
>
> This illustrates a certain fragmentation within my social network, which
> could be summarized as "Icelanders" versus "foreigners", although this
> misses a lot of subtleties.
>
> Yesterday I got developer access to Google Wave, and the first thing
> that I realized upon logging into it is that it was beyond any doubt
> poised to further fragment my social network. Instead of it being only
> the "e-mail", "twitter", "facebook" realms of my social consciousness,
> there would be an added "wave" realm. All together now: FRAGMENTED
> ATTENTION SPAN.
>
> How to deal with this? One friend of mine made a conscious decision a
> while ago to quit IRC, cancel his cellphone subscription, and blackhole
> e-mails from people he didn't know. He became a hermit at that instant,
> reading only list mail from one certain mailing list and losing contact
> with most of his older friends. His productivity has gone up
> substantially as a result. That said, his field is low level kernel
> hacking, a field I haven't touched on for a number of years. My field
> requires a high level of interaction with smart people, which is why I'm
> on this list and many like it.
>
> But much like kernel hacking, what I do - what we do - requires long
> stretches of unbroken attention span, thoroughly segmented into spurts
> of activity. Without access to these we're useless. And so it becomes a
> race: publish early, publish often on the one hand, versus research well
> and research deep on the other.
>
> I'm at a loss of how to deal with this, but I'm growing of the opinion
> that the value of a social technology to me is inversely proportional to
> their reliance on me.
>
> That is to say: things that need me in order to survive probably don't
> deserve to.
>
> Oddly enough, this is the same view as I took regarding pets a long time
> ago.
>
>
>  - Smári
>
>
>
> Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > you're right ... I won't let facebook become my whole universe at all
> > ... just a part of it ...
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com
> > <mailto:alex.rollin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Michel
> >     Bauwens<michelsub2004 at gmail.com <mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >     > Dear Sepp:
> >     >
> >     > this seems like an important new set of developments, but a little
> too
> >     > complicated for me yet ...
> >     >
> >     > I wonder if you could have a look at it and summarize in more
> >     simple terms
> >     > for our blog audience?
> >     >
> >     > Thanks for having a look:
> >     >
> >
> http://dashes.com/anil/2009/07/the-pushbutton-web-realtime-becomes-real.html
> >     >
> >
> >     Many are familiar with the ability of Open Source applications like
> >     Drupal to provide features similar or identical to Facebook.  This
> >     article focuses on several aspects of the technology tool set needed
> >     to place Facebook in it's right place as an application consuming
> data
> >     from various inputs.  The rightful place is RIGHT NEXT TO MY WEBSITE.
> >
> >     My most scathing criticism of Facebook is that it makes it too easy
> >     for people to forget to develop their own ability to publish and
> >     aggregate outside FB.
> >
> >     Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
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