[p2p-research] "not a commons"....

[Ryan Lanham]

Michel,

If this site is condemned by P2PF, how should an advocate of P2P feel about
academic journals which require sign-over of licenses or edited academic
books, which do the same?  Aren't those, in a sense, simply crowdsourced
with some agreement of attribution?

Ryan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Franz,
>
> I totally agree that there is a scandalous and exploitative element to this
> kind of practice. It is only tempered by the fact that they are so upfront
> about it and that the contributions are voluntary.
>
> But definitely, denouncing such practices would have a place on the p2p
> blog, I'm open to publishing any contributions of that nature,
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada at reflex.at>wrote:
>
>> p2presearch at listcultures.org / Ryan schreibt:
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's purpose is to crowdsource all the weird sites in the world into
>> one
>> >> open(?) geobase, but it is also "edited."
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if this is a commons?  There are .org and .com extensions
>> >> associated with the site and its creators.  The financial model of the
>> >> venture is less than clear but the idea of a crowdsourced map is close
>> >to
>> >> what Smari seems to be envisioning in some ways.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if the Atlas Obscura framework could be reused?  The
>> >descriptions
>> >> of the founders seem to present relatively open minded people if one
>> can
>> >> judge from such a small description.
>>
>> and Michel states
>>
>>
>> >Definitely not a commons, see the ToS:
>> >
>> >The website accessible through www.atlasobscura.com (the ?Website?) is
>> >owned, operated and distributed by JPSF, LLC, a New York limited
>> liability
>> >company (?Atlas Obscura?). User Submissions are owned by their creators
>> >and
>> >licensed to Atlas Obscura. All other content and features available on
>> the
>> >Web Site are owned by or licensed to Atlas Obscura.
>>
>>
>> I think this kind of "dispossesing crow(d)sourcing" is even something we
>> should vigorously fight !!
>>
>> We never published the story of emporis.com, because the people involved
>> did not want to risk conflict, but it still stands out as "a lead bad
>> example for good."
>>
>> The creators took the work of thousands of people to create enormous
>> commercial value. They gardened the crowdsourcing well like an oil field.
>> Big success. I think they "realized" (turned into money)  the commercial
>> value somehow already.....You researchers should dive ito this case study,
>> I promise you findings!
>>
>> Ant they still "grant allowance" for people to throw there enthusiasm and
>> energy in this: "Professionals from the building industry and people with
>> a love for architecture are allowed (!!!) to participate in the completion
>> of information."
>>
>> http://www.emporis.com/he/mc/
>>
>> One day - when the rules of the game will finally have changed - this will
>> be obviously heavily scandalized. The day is not far any more, since the
>> commons / p2p economy tipping point is in sight. By for now its just the
>> dream web2.0 story any entrepreneur is dreaming of.
>>
>> Again this is a case to consider the enacting of the fairware idea - even
>> for intellectual commons that are turned into commercialized services. It
>> will fill the gap between amateur and professional world that we are so
>> heavily suffering of and which distorts the p2p meme in public.
>>
>> Franz
>>
>>
>>
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