[p2p-research] Kolakowski is dead...

[Michel Bauwens]

In this case, abundance is simply the technical term appropriate for  the
marginal production costs of the digital environment, and the equipotential
overflow of the freely aggregating contributors ... the hypothesis is that
in a distributed network, there is always 'somebody' out there with the
required skill for the particular task ... However counter-intuititive that
may seen, it usually works.

Of course in terms of material things, 'suffiiency' is the better term, this
is why we talk about 'sufficient money' to replace scarcity-based money, and
not ' abundance money'

I think you are on to something with your 'boundaries' argument too ... it
is because the boundaries between the inside and outside are so loose, that
the equipotential contribution can be found ... in case of wikipedia,
because of the notability, this mechanism has been broken, hence the
stagnation of the english wikipedia ..

I concur with your phooey .. and again would add my abundance related
argument: when you think there;s only one way for change, and that you know
this way, it becomes important and mandatory to fight for this 'right
understanding'; opposed to that is the pattern matching of the p2p approach,
which can always find interesting patterns to interconnect, even in dark
times

Michel

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, I think I agree though the term "abundance" puts me off because it
> sounds inherently silly.  We have abundant outmoded code.  It isn't a boon.
> What is a boon is high-access to relevant tools. Relevance is part of the
> P2P discussion...soon resilience will be, too.
>
> Abundance isn't a good.  Widely available items that are wanted and needed
> is the boon. Maybe that is implied in abundance, but the word itself strikes
> me as...self-defeating.
>
> I wonder if the decline of organizational centrality is simply leading to
> low-threshold (and I like this concept...you are on to something)
> participation simply by absence of the boundaries imposed by the vanguard of
> the peers (aka Wikipedia editors!)
>
> What puts me off about communism most isn't the idea of the commune, I
> rather can accept that intellectually, what alienates me from the left is
> the hypocrisy of the so-called vanguards who expect everyone else to sit in
> the back of the bus while they fly first class because of their
> "leadership."  Phooey on that.
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> One of the key aspets of p2p governance I think, is to engineer
>> 'abundance' i.e. free choices, where-ever possible, thereby enabling
>> productive participation without necessating intenstive deliberations by any
>> groups ... this deliberation itself also becomes mostly technical, itself
>> also open mostly to the contributory process ... But never totally, as
>> linux/debian/apache have all different arbitrage mechanisms ... I'm not sure
>> if this was a learning experience from the often failing, because too high
>> treshold, participation processes required in sixties/seventies style
>> efforts ... It seems that p2p groups want to avoid this high treshold
>> discussions opting for the efficiency that is determined by their
>> object-oriented sociality i..e whatever productive cause that made them
>> rally in the first place
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, pluralism both in the economy and governance is necessary to avoid
>>>> any kind of totalitarianism, including a p2p one ... Imagine the world rule
>>>> by wikipedia admins ..<g>
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny.  That WOULD be a catastrophe...
>>>
>>> It wasn't but a couple (or a few) years ago that Wikipedia as governance
>>> model was extremely popular in graduate school discussions.
>>>
>>> The future of organizations is low participation, low linkage, high
>>> capacity for customization.  P2P helped write that agenda.  Wikipedia was a
>>> step toward the low impact governance we're tending toward.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>


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