[p2p-research] debate on open agriculture

[Patrick Anderson]

>> Ryan Lanham wrote:
>> > agricultural production not a very safe business

> Patrick Anderson wrote:
>> This sentence contains the ever prevalent broken-mindset assumption
>> that production must be for profit instead of for product.

Ryan Lanham wrote:
> I have many broken mindsets.


Hi Ryan,

Sorry if that sounded like I was attacking you personally.  That is
not my intent.

I only mean to critique the *concept*.  It doesn't matter who wrote it.



If you read me carefully you'll notice I also understand profit is
something owners should collect for growth - the only difference I
propose is that the *payer* will own that new property (after a
vesting period).

I'm not proclaiming what anyone *should* do.  I'm only trying to debug
the problems we face to create an opt-in system that future owners may
*choose* to apply to their own collective/cooperative property for the
purpose of creating a more successful community.

Nobody is 'bad' or 'good'.  We are all ignorant automatons that each
tend to take a 'greedy' (as in the naive Computer Science algorithm)
approach that stops the collective 'us' from cooperating in a more
robust and complete manner.

We must rise above this tit-for-tat of the immediate now to create a
self-inflicted ruleset similar to how the GNU GPL helps Copyright
holders tie their own hands and the hands of those that want to build
upon their shoulders.  Without this voluntary (but legally binding)
constraint, our growth will always be innocently but violently
retarded by the few who do have the skills to initiate the
organization a complex society requires.

...

Let's not give up on this yet.  Your thinking is valuable, and I would
like to discover at least one more thing.

Could you tell me please, what you think *causes* profit.  Where does
it come from?

For example: some subscribe to the "Labor Theory of Value" to explain
why consumers pay a price above cost.

Would you say that is the origin of profit, or is there some other
reason, or would you say the question is intractably complex?


Thanks for your time,
Patrick