[p2p-research] present and future

Sat Jul 4 12:34:24 CEST 2009

thanks for the details Thomas, but I think there's a typo in your blog link
in the sigfile,

Michel

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Thomas Greco <thg at mindspring.com> wrote:

>  The Schumacher Society has been very successful in getting publicity and
> mainstream support.
>
> The particular method of issuing Berkshares, however, is not very
> empowering (sold for cash; redeemed for cash). But they are gaining
> acceptance of the idea of alternative currencies and paving the way for more
> empowering things like mutual credit clearing and currencies that are SPENT
> into circulation based on solid ability of the issuer to redeem it in kind.
>
> The Swiss WIR is the model that comes closest to optimum empowerment, but
> that, too, needs some improvement.
>
> regards,
> Tom
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> ; Thomas Greco -- thg<thg at mindspring.com>
> *Cc:* Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2009 01:05 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [p2p-research] present and future
>
> I read today where the E. F. Shumacher Foundation gets 43,000 hits a day on
> Berkshire Bucks or BerkBucks.  Do those guys have a theory of their
> success?  Or a theory about money?  I suppose success in application
> doesn't guarantee theoretical insight.
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I have no special insight about the berkshares, but I'm copying Thomas
> Greco, who has,
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Michel.  David Gurteen, Dave Snowden and others who run in that
>> pack are old acquaintances of mine.  Jon Husband's Wirearchy is an excellent
>> blog in that space...
>>
>> Snowden is sort of a British Clay Shirky.  Very smart, but smart in the
>> peculiar way of saying very elemental things that are surprisingly
>> insightful over long periods--like Shirky.  Not many people have such
>> wisdom.  It is almost a naive legitimacy founded in simply mulling things
>> over deeply again and again.
>>
>> Billing I have known of but do not follow.  I have not heard of Patricia
>> Benner.
>>
>> Certainly there is nothing here I disagree with.  I still wonder whether
>> the only real theory worth a damn doesn't come from tinkering with real
>> problems.  Even someone as theoretical as Einstein supposedly worked almost
>> exclusively with mental models of reality (thought experiments).
>>
>> I read today where the E. F. Shumacher Foundation gets 43,000 hits a day
>> on Berkshire Bucks or BerkBucks.  Do those guys have a theory of their
>> success?  Or a theory about money?  I suppose success in application
>> doesn't guarantee theoretical insight.
>>
>> I do find myself most on the side of those who address real problems of
>> real people today.  If those problems are intractable, all the better.  The
>> older I get the less stock I put in large pools of theory--perhaps one
>> reason why economics and political philosophy are so dull to me now when
>> once I found them so very essential.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>   On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Ryan,
>>>
>>> this should appeal to you, from david gurteen:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *On idealistic solutions<http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/L004371/>
>>> *    (top<http:///?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy#122087154d3613d4_top>|
>>> next <http:///?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy#122087154d3613d4_L004388>|
>>> prev <http:///?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy#122087154d3613d4_L004377>
>>> )
>>>
>>> Dave Snowden said something recently that typified my approach to
>>> everything that I have done in life over the last 10 years or more.
>>>
>>> Knowledge Management should be focused on real, tangible intractable
>>> problems not aspirational goals. It should deal pragmatically with the
>>> evolutionary possibilities of the present rather then seeking idealistic
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> *Credit: *Dave Snowden
>>>
>>> And then I saw these two posts A Deficit View of the World<http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/05/a-deficit-view-of-the-wor%0Ald/>and Three
>>> Questions for Opening Up Possibility<http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/05/three-questions-for-openi%0Ang-up-possibility/>from Stephen Billing where he makes a similar point and draws from Patricia
>>> Benner?s The Primacy of Caring<http://www.amazon.com/Primacy-Caring-Stress-Coping-Illness/dp/02011200%0A2X>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen concludes his post thus
>>>
>>> Benner suggests that decreasing your reliance on a preconceived end or
>>> means of getting there can offer a new point of departure for new
>>> possibilities that were not previously available. To me, this applies as
>>> much to individuals in their personal lives as much as it does to people in
>>> organisations.
>>>
>>> *Credit: *Three Questions for Opening Up Possibility<http://www.changingorganisations.com/2009/05/three-questions-for-openi%0Ang-up-possibility>,
>>> Stephen Billing
>>>
>>> And then yet again I got to build on Snowden's original statement with
>>> this quote from John Deway <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey>that I found in the comments to the above post. The ideal of using the
>>> present simply to get ready for the future contradicts itself. It omits, and
>>> even shuts out, the very conditions by which a person can be prepared for
>>> his future. We always live at the time we live and not at some other time,
>>> and only by extracting at each present time the full meaning of each present
>>> experience are we prepared for doing the same thing in the future. This is
>>> the only preparation which in the long run amounts to anything.
>>>
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