[p2p-research] critical integral theory

Fri Jul 3 05:38:48 CEST 2009

Hi Lawrence,

neat .... I'd love to see you here!! you will surely enjoy it ...

regarding your question, I'm not understanding it yet ...

all I can say for now, is that what distinguish P2P is that the exchange is
not between individuals or between groups, as in the classic gift economy,
but between individuals (or teams) and the 'commons'. So you give to a pool,
and you get from a pool.

In a classic commons, the advantage is: give a brick, get a house, so it is
extraordinarily advantageous for individuals, a little energy input gets you
a massive return, provided you solve the 'tragedy of the commons' issue with
good regulation and governance, which commons historically succeeded in,
before they were destroyed by the active violence of the enclosures.

In digital commons, there is an added advantage, regarding information, any
change, however minute, is instantly reverberated into the whole community,
so innovation becomes real time over vast global distances and this is
historically unprecedented,

If you reformulate your question for beginners, I can put it to the p2p
research list, for further input,

Is that what you meant by the master list?

Michel

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Lawrence Wollersheim <wollersheim at msn.com>wrote:

>  Hi Michel,
>
>
>
> How would describe the exchange that someone gets both in tangible and
> intangible terms when they contribute material to either an open source or
> P2P collaboration? Exchange of energy between parts and their communions or
> their embedded dynamic unions is a if not the most fundamental deep success
> pattern of evolution.
>
> I can figure out some of these things, but I sure would love to see the
> master list. If open source or P2P collaboration will truly become the next
> evolutionary step for humanity beyond hierarchy dominance they must somehow
> meet the criteria of Exchange of energy....
>
> Best,
>
> L
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:35:26 +0700
> Subject: Re: critical integral theory
> From: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> To: wollersheim at msn.com
>
>
> hi Larry!
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Lawrence Wollersheim <wollersheim at msn.com
> > wrote:
>
>  Dear Michel and Richard,
>
> If I am in San Francisco at the time of the conference I would glad to be a
> speaker at IONS. Michael Murphy and I have talked several times on the
> issues.
>
> My credentials in the are are:
>
> I Mentored under Dr Margaret Singer PhD for 25 years of UC Berkeley who
> until her death was acknowledged as worlds leading authority on cults and
> mind control.
>
> Co Founded the cult education organization www.factnet.org and have been a
> director for 15 years
>
> I am the only person to ever beat Scientology in court and enforced a full
> collection.
> Send
> Best,
>
> L
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:44:20 +0700
> Subject: Re: critical integral theory
> From: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> To: rcarlson at olypen.com
> CC: wollersheim at msn.com
>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> yes I saw the CT essay ..
>
> if you look for more speakers, perhaps you could have a look at:
>
> - http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/Spiritual-Authoritarianism
>
> I've put Lawrence Wollersheim in cc, he was the founder of FACTNet; I find
> the work of the Trimondi's on Tibet doubtful, but at the same time extremely
> fascinating ...; the people behind What Enlightenment should be of interest
> as well
>
> Tell me more about that event if you can, so I can think of perhaps some
> other suggestions,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Michel
>
> The last thing I wrote that was substantial was some free verse posted
>
>
> to C Theory just before Obama was elected and had to do with global
> warming and the insanity of continued
> development of fossil fuel resources called Drill Baby Drill.
> http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=599
>
>
>
> Other than that I have been busy organizing a conference on
> Fundamentalism and the Future to be held at CIIS on September 11/12.  It
> grew out of the persecution
> of Peter Heehs and his biography of Sri Aurobindo.  The conference
>
>
> itself will address Fundamentalism in global terms giving a specific
> instance on how it takes root in a
> community. We have a few folks like Michael Murphy of Esalen who will be
> there but I was going to ask you if you know anyone who has studied or
>
>
> written on this topic?
> I am still looking for another presenter.
>
> Those World Forum events seem pretty interesting I wish you well with
> your participation in them
>
>
> best
> Rich
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Richard Carlson <rcarlson at olypen.com>wrote:
>
>
>
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