[p2p-research] Donation Networks

Sat Jan 24 18:59:03 CET 2009

Maybe we should take this discussion off of p2presearch list? If others
desire that, please let us know and we'll do it.

In any case, while it would be optimal to see freecyclers migrate from yahoo
groups to a new system, my experience is that it would be extremely
difficult to get people to do this, at least initially.

The idea that I have is that freecyclers could CC: their post to freecycle
to  an email address that I set up for p2paid, and that they could then have
p2paid alert them in ways of their choosing when people take their offer.
The same could be done with craigslist listings, etc etc. There are ways to
do this now with RESTful API's, and other ways of transferring data between
sites. This is what I was already working on in the system that I have been
creating. What do you think about that?

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:

> what I was thinking is suggesting to freecyclers that they adopt a drupal
> base platform for their network to allow users to create profiles, blogs etc
>  and maybe throw in some of the p2paid functionalities to track the
> donations, which would be useful
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree with you about freecycle. Perhaps there is a way to connect
>> existing freecycle systems with p2paid, as freecycle is a great resource for
>> sharing surplus. This could take some work, but would be worth thinking
>> about how to technically integrate.
>>
>> This is kind of tough, as freecycle is yahoogroups based, which is not
>> very open. But, there are ways of solving this problem, I think. Important
>> thing is that freecyclers could enhance activity by being part of a
>> reputation network. So, perhaps only a small percentage of freecyclers would
>> participate. But, even a small percentage could be a great contribution. So
>> the question is, what would make it really easy for a person who
>> participated in freecycle to simultaneously participate in p2paid?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>>
>>> we look forward to synergy, and let us know how we can help. P2PAID code,
>>> domain name and concept are all donated and available for community
>>> management and  reuse, yes there are a few others too...
>>> I also want to connect with freecyclers when I have a mo, cause the
>>> freecycle members would benefit from having profiles in order to support
>>> proper community development, and other functionalities (keep track of how
>>> much one is donating and receiving, aggregating different donations etc)
>>> look forward, and best of luck with your efforts
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am in the process of creating a US based foundation that will support
>>>> these kinds of activities. Once I have that in place, I think it could be
>>>> worth thinking about merging with your project. I think that some of the
>>>> ideas that I am thinking of could give people in real need a more long term
>>>> way to get some help, and become self-sustaining. I think what you are
>>>> offering could fit well with what I am about ready to do.
>>>>
>>>> There are also some others around the world that have been interested in
>>>> similar ideas, and I will see if they are also interested. Fabio, it is nice
>>>> to meet you.
>>>>
>>>> p2paid is a good a name, and your project could very well be expanded
>>>> with some of the ideas that i am thinking of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like p2paid is just waiting for you... kind of  ready but
>>>>> needs a few more hands/heads to make it useful/used
>>>>>
>>>>> it would be fantastic if you could make p2paid your own project, and
>>>>> extend it to your liking, btw  the social network for education is  v cool
>>>>>
>>>>> if what you have in mind is shareable, then come and lead the project
>>>>> in the next phase
>>>>> just connect with Fabio as he hosts it on his server now, I think
>>>>> actually thre is a link to the code somewhere at the bottom
>>>>>  and let us know how can we assist you
>>>>>
>>>>> however if you prefer just grab the code and do what you want with it,
>>>>> just kindly acknowledge the existing contribution and hack away.....
>>>>> let us know how you get on and keep us in the loop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So it was a pilot project. Not a project that took off then died. I
>>>>>> see, this makes sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creating a maintained release of the code could help draw more
>>>>>> participation and interest in your project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am pretty familiar with Drupal development, and could recreate
>>>>>> p2paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was actually looking at a way to eventually allow people to
>>>>>> participate in such a network from their own sites, and that the health of
>>>>>> the network is monitored from the "site" that I create, plus your
>>>>>> reputation, etc resides on the site that I create.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI
>>>>>>> we developed the concept and implemented it, but never promoted it
>>>>>>> actively with the donor community, and neither of us is a full time social
>>>>>>> worker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so basically, consider it still in beta, and we all got absorbed by
>>>>>>> other work which took priority,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bits of it however have been fed into other projects, as the code was
>>>>>>> released to a couple of people including a team at berkley or stanford (cant
>>>>>>> remember)
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>> PD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ps. an important question: what happened to p2paid? Why did the site
>>>>>>>> activity seem to stop after a while? I beleive it is important to know why
>>>>>>>> some projects like this succeed and some seem to lose momentum. It looks
>>>>>>>> like a very noble effort. Any anecdotes you an share are appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paolo, thanks for your response.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there an existing place to download http://www.p2paid.orgsource code? If not, I can easily donate repository space for maintaining
>>>>>>>>> this, if you want (plus issue que, and API).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is similar to what I am currently doing with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com/repo/hgwebdir.cgi/smc/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for http://socialmediaclassroom.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And we also have http://socialmediaclassroom.com/development which
>>>>>>>>> is issue que and API
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested in that, and I am interested in
>>>>>>>>> looking at a copy of your code, for sure. Thanks again!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:20 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have recently become a member of freecycle
>>>>>>>>>> and what I see is fantastic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freecycle.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> old things get used up by others, then passed on
>>>>>>>>>> from spare parts to furniture, books, household items to the
>>>>>>>>>> oddest
>>>>>>>>>> thing around (offered /wanted)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> also, we have developed a drupal based tool
>>>>>>>>>> www.p2paid.org which is free to use, open source if you want to
>>>>>>>>>> install on your servers and change the config/GUI etc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hope useful pointers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>> PDM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Dear P2P Research,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > After some months working privately with agent based Altruism
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> > Cooperation models, I am working towards initiating an
>>>>>>>>>> experiment with with
>>>>>>>>>> > a small number regional and continental participants in creating
>>>>>>>>>> a balanced
>>>>>>>>>> > donation and distribution system.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > The system is fairly simple:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Participants list what they need, and fill mutual needs. Each
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> > maintains a "reputation" that is based on a "thank you" that is
>>>>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>>>>> > from the person they have donated to.  A tracking system
>>>>>>>>>> monitors the
>>>>>>>>>> > "carrying capacity" of donations. "thank you" assignments to
>>>>>>>>>> participants
>>>>>>>>>> > are monitored, and so too are receipts of donations. Optionally,
>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>> > participant may also register their own satisfaction with the
>>>>>>>>>> system as a
>>>>>>>>>> > whole.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Total satisfaction, plus a "thank you" (which is seen in the
>>>>>>>>>> system as
>>>>>>>>>> > individual satisfaction with what is donated) compared against
>>>>>>>>>> satisfactory
>>>>>>>>>> > receipt of donations (where you "thank" the other person, and
>>>>>>>>>> thus add to
>>>>>>>>>> > their rating), and a certain base level of overall needs met,
>>>>>>>>>>  would then
>>>>>>>>>> > give feedback to each user, showing that they may need to donate
>>>>>>>>>> more, or
>>>>>>>>>> > improve the quality of what they are giving to others, in order
>>>>>>>>>> to maintain
>>>>>>>>>> > total "health" of the system.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > In the United States, this is my proposal as a route for people
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> > distribute regulated goods like food items, fuel
>>>>>>>>>> production/ingredients, etc
>>>>>>>>>> > in way that is legal, and that avoids "market" exchanges (it is
>>>>>>>>>> legal to
>>>>>>>>>> > donate or give items to one another in the fashion proposed
>>>>>>>>>> above).
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > As local food systems, and open product design/fabrication
>>>>>>>>>> activity is
>>>>>>>>>> > already increasing, myself and others are seeing the above as a
>>>>>>>>>> plausible
>>>>>>>>>> > way to pool and share resources. Your thoughts are appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>> > Sam Rose
>>>>>>>>>> > Social Synergy
>>>>>>>>>> > Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>>>>>>>>> > Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>>>>>>>>> > AIM: Str9960
>>>>>>>>>> > Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>>>>>>>>>> > skype: samuelrose
>>>>>>>>>> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is
>>>>>>>>>> possible,
>>>>>>>>>> > he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
>>>>>>>>>> impossible,
>>>>>>>>>> > he is very probably wrong."
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Paola Di Maio
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Forthcoming
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i-Semantics 2009, 2 - 4 September 2009, Graz, Austria.
>>>>>>>>>> www.i-semantics.tugraz.at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SEMAPRO 2009, Malta
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iaria.org/conferences2009/RegistrationSEMAPRO09.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sam Rose
>>>>>>>>> Social Synergy
>>>>>>>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>>>>>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>>>>>>>> AIM: Str9960
>>>>>>>>> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>>>>>>>>> skype: samuelrose
>>>>>>>>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is
>>>>>>>>> possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
>>>>>>>>> impossible, he is very probably wrong."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sam Rose
>>>>>>>> Social Synergy
>>>>>>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>>>>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>>>>>>> AIM: Str9960
>>>>>>>> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>>>>>>>> skype: samuelrose
>>>>>>>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is
>>>>>>>> possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
>>>>>>>> impossible, he is very probably wrong."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Paola Di Maio
>>>>>>> **********************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forthcoming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i-Semantics 2009, 2 - 4 September 2009, Graz, Austria.
>>>>>>> www.i-semantics.tugraz.at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SEMAPRO 2009, Malta
>>>>>>> http://www.iaria.org/conferences2009/RegistrationSEMAPRO09.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sam Rose
>>>>>> Social Synergy
>>>>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>>>>> AIM: Str9960
>>>>>> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>>>>>> skype: samuelrose
>>>>>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is
>>>>>> possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
>>>>>> impossible, he is very probably wrong."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paola Di Maio
>>>>> **********************************
>>>>>
>>>>> Forthcoming
>>>>>
>>>>> i-Semantics 2009, 2 - 4 September 2009, Graz, Austria.
>>>>> www.i-semantics.tugraz.at
>>>>>
>>>>> SEMAPRO 2009, Malta
>>>>> http://www.iaria.org/conferences2009/RegistrationSEMAPRO09.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sam Rose
>>>> Social Synergy
>>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>>> AIM: Str9960
>>>> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>>>> skype: samuelrose
>>>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is
>>>> possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is
>>>> impossible, he is very probably wrong."
>>>>
>>>>    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paola Di Maio
>>> **********************************
>>>
>>> Forthcoming
>>>
>>> i-Semantics 2009, 2 - 4 September 2009, Graz, Austria.
>>> www.i-semantics.tugraz.at
>>>
>>> SEMAPRO 2009, Malta
>>> http://www.iaria.org/conferences2009/RegistrationSEMAPRO09.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sam Rose
>> Social Synergy
>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>> AIM: Str9960
>> Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
>> skype: samuelrose
>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services
>>
>>
>>
>> "When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is possible,
>> he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible,
>> he is very probably wrong."
>>
>>    Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Paola Di Maio
> **********************************
>
> Forthcoming
>
> i-Semantics 2009, 2 - 4 September 2009, Graz, Austria.
> www.i-semantics.tugraz.at
>
> SEMAPRO 2009, Malta
> http://www.iaria.org/conferences2009/RegistrationSEMAPRO09.html
>
>

-- 
Sam Rose
Social Synergy
Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
AIM: Str9960
Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrose
skype: samuelrose
email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
http://socialsynergyweb.org/network/services

"When a distinguished elderly scientist states that something is possible,
he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible,
he is very probably wrong."

   Arthur C. Clarke, Clarke's first law
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