[p2p-research] Yi-Tan Tech Community Call 214 - The Meaning of Clouds - 1:30pm EST, Monday January 19, 2009

[marc fawzi]

I would be interested in discussing IPv6 built-in point-to-point tunneling
over TCP/IP (for PCs and mobile devices) as it relates to P2P Cloud ...

I view the centralized cloud as a sham: a ploy to concentrate power in the
hands of companies that can afford to have massive data centers, like
Google, Amazon, MS, etc ...

Currently P2P cloud is only possible on non-mobile devices via UDP hole
punching (and reliable UDP, e.g. see Azureus DHT, Skype, etc, and uTorrent
which I believe now uses UDP as a file transfer protocol not just for DHT)
On mobile devices the carrier's gateway only let in TCP traffic so it's
impossible to have a P2P Cloud at the moment, and it's the last reason in my
drawer for why centrally owned clouds should exist (e.g. Dean's idea for
offloading mobile processing to personal cloud in a data center,) but with
IPv6 it is possible to have a P2P Cloud for both PCs and mobile devices.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:

>  What I want to know Jerry is when are we going to see the release of
> 'personal cloud computing'.
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> It hit me back in 2006 when working with the Savaje java handsets that all
> the problems with mobile handsets (limited memory, limited processing power)
> could all be solved by just using the device as a remote 'viewer' to an
> 'external computer'.
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> Eg. Nothing more than a browser to processes and applications running on a
> paired computer in the carriers data center.
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> http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/javaone.html
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> http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/neo-handset-developments.html
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> Although the G1 handset has moved down this path 'a little bit', it's
> really disappointing this 'cloud resource' concept hasn't been pushed
> further.
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> So apart from web services like email and other asp services when are we
> going to see more innovative 'personal computing aspects
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> Regards,
>
> Dean Collins
> Cognation Inc
> dean at cognation.net
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> *From:* Yi-Tan at googlegroups.com [mailto:Yi-Tan at googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jerry Michalski
> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 January 2009 11:04 AM
> *To:* Yi-Tan List
> *Subject:* Yi-Tan Tech Community Call 214 - The Meaning of Clouds - 1:30pm
> EST, Monday January 19, 2009
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> First, my apologies for scheduling the Yi-Tan call on MLK Day, but it
> seemed that something bigger was going to trump us on Tuesday. May it warm
> up a little for the inaugural.
>
> We dipped into *cloud computing* recently<http://www.yi-tan.com/wiki/yi-tan/Cloud_Computing?wikiPageId=1555274>;
> now we're headed a bit deeper (higher?), guided by Pat Kerpan<http://www.yi-tan.com/wiki/yi-tan/Pat_Kerpan?wikiPageId=1596399>,
> CTO of CohesiveFT <http://cohesiveft.com/>.
>
> Today's cloud offerings from Google <http://code.google.com/appengine/>, Amazon
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=201590011>and others aren't
> interchangeable. They imply different decisions and uses, which naturally
> appeal to different sorts of clients. CohesiveFT's Elastic Server<http://elasticserver.com/>and
> VPN-Cubed <http://www.cohesiveft.com/vpncubed/> smooth and secure the
> experience.
>
> With Pat, let's discuss:
>
>    - What's a grid, what's a cloud and how do they differ?
>    - How has the cloud evolved over time? What needs improvement next?
>    - What's a solution stack?
>    - When might most corporate computing happen in clouds (if ever)?
>
> More info:
>
>    - Pat's post
>    <http://blog.elasticserver.com/2008/04/cloudy-weather-ahead.html>on the
>    new cloud offerings.
>    - Great cloud survey<http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12411864>in The Economist. (thanks, Mike!)
>
> As always, an IRC Chat<http://www.yi-tan.com/wiki/yi-tan/irc_chat?wikiPageId=163280>will be available during the call,
> here. And let's continue tweeting, using #yitan<http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23yitan>
> .
>
> Date:    Monday, January 19, 2009
> Time:    10:30 PST, 1:30 EST
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> Talk to you on the call!
>
> Bestest,
>
> Jerry
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