[p2p-research] is this the open social graph we have been waiting for?
marc fawzi
marc.fawzi at gmail.com
Mon Jan 12 22:48:11 CET 2009
Aha! but the fact is that my personal data GROWS and GROWS and GROWS
everyday.
I add friends every day (or every other month in my case)
I visit new websites
I make new purchases
I reinforce certain relationships (between various data I've generated not
just between me and my friends)
I do many things that update my personal data on daily basis that is of use
to advertisers in better targeting their ads and of use to social networking
services in better connecting me with my 'friends'
This constant update and constant change to the data is what I can monetize
(or tokenize as an exchange in whatever currency)
In other words, what I own is the 'change' in my data, which I can release
on daily basis for say $1 (a day) to 30 different services who now get it
all for free. That's $30 a day or $900/mo.
Plenty of change is due in the way the 'web' works, and it's due now
What better time to make such radical morphological changes than when the
biggest players are tightening their belts and hunkering down in their
established structure
Marc
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Springer <martin at camorra.org> wrote:
> Bryan, Marc, All,
>
> I agree with you that the idea of an "open social graph" connected to an
> OpenID is preferrable to central services (Facebook etc...), because
> users will be more independent from the advertisment industry. One
> requirement that comes into my mind is a governance infrastructure where
> you can consult some users from our common network if you don't trust
> me.
>
> The idea of a private "social graph" is fascinating, but I doubt that
> will add much privacy. You cannot control access to your own data,
> because you do not own your data anymore once they are public.
>
> Those things which were thought can never be unthought [1]
>
> my 2 joule tokens ;)
> Martin
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Physiker
>
> "marc fawzi" <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Bryan re-iterates a good and increasingly popular point regarding the
> > idea of users having authority over access to their OWN data as
> > opposed to commercial interests using that data for profit, which will
> > always happen, one way or another, unless the user is the gatekeeper
> > to their own data.
> > My own somewhat unique view on the social data debate has been that we
> > need an encrypted Social ID card that is purchased blank from Staples
> > or WalMart and populated by the user with their social graph. The card
> > would be much like the electronic cards that companies give their
> > employees to access their VPN (virtual private network.)
> > It's been my view that services like Facebook, GoogleConnect, MySpace,
> > and all services requiring user data must authorize with the USER (the
> > owners of the data) and be granted access by the user. Currently the
> > plastic ID cards we have for functioning within society have nothing
> > to do with the online world, and that is a good thing, yet there is an
> > increasing need to have an secure Social ID card that lists our name,
> > as we choose it (i.e. actual, alias, nick, etc), and all our
> > relationships that also contains our authentication info (like a
> > global ID) and that can be used just like current VPN secure access
> > cards.
> > No company on earth should hold information about my social graph (no
> > matter how open) and once I own my social graph and have it go
> > everywhere with me (with backup of encrypted data on my PC) I may even
> > charge services like Facebook for accessing it. Like wise I could
> > store all the pages I visited (optional, you don't have to) and charge
> > advertisers for accessing that info on my Social ID card so that they
> > can give me targetted advertising for which they make money. RIght now
> > Google is literally STEALING that data from users by having users
> > consent to it without telling the users that Google actually PROFITS
> > from that data. Facebook also profits from having my social graph data
> > and that of 100 million other users. If users pull their data out and
> > put it on a secure Social ID card then Facebook et al would have to
> > share the profits with the users!!!! whereas the bastards are making
> > hundreds of millions off of user data.
> > When it comes to product/process data for peers-as-prosumers
> > (production inputs and outputs, including energy use, byproducts,
> > ingredients/BoM, environmental footprint, etc) that is 'common data'
> > that should be in some open always-accessible, i.e. if I make some
> > software application or food product I need to release all metadata
> > for that product into some open database.
> > But I myself is not a product. I have the right to own my own social
> > (and other) data. I generate data through life (e.g. relationships,
> > websites visited, interest, purchases, etc) and I should be the one to
> > profit from that data, not Facebook or Google who turn around and sell
> > it for hard cold cash, without even having the decency to share the
> > profit with me the generator of that data and its owner. It's theft by
> > mass ignorance.
> > my 2 joule tokens
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Michel Bauwens
> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Michel Bauwens
> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This looks promising: http://www.cliqset.com/, it says all social
> > data
> > > belong to the user and the system is built on that promise ...
> >
> > Characteristics of an 'open social graph' that I would start with:
> > * users host something like lighttpd, a light-weight http daemon
> > except for 'social data services', or some module to the apache web
> > server, or something similar to this.
> > * social networking occurs maybe via FOAF(?)
> > * crawlers and other data mining services (third parties) can be
> > allowed to access user data on web pages (etc.) or not (robots.txt
> > exclusion rule)
> > But for some reason everyone into "social networking" is into
> > submitting their data to some central website, instead of the
> > traditional method of submitting CNAME and MAIL-server records to
> > DNS
> > hosts. Just layers and layers of solving the same problem in
> > different
> > ways, if you ask me.
> > - Bryan
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