[p2p-research] Transition movement for finance

[marc fawzi]

Thanks Nicholas

I will look at those efforts to educate myself on what has been done...

Will send you an invite to the simulation/game mailing list (it should say
"p2p money game" where 'game' refers to 'simulation as a game' not
entertainment.)

See you there. We're just starting so this is a good time to have you.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:38 AM, <nicholas at themediasociety.org> wrote:

> I'd be interested to work on this social currency project...
>
> with an eye towards the permaculture, transition, global justice and
> other sustainability movements
>
> Peak Debt could be added to the pattern language of those movements
> alongside Peak Oil, Climate Change etc
>
> also, the energy social currency that you are working on might also be
> possibly linked to some long running alternative currency schemes as
> LETS or WWOOFing which is popular in the permaculture and other
> movements
>
> David Holmgren, a co-founder of permaculture based much of his work on
> on the energy work of Odum..
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture
>
> On 1/6/09, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The economic meltdown is our wakeup call and as such we should see it as
> a
> > gift from the universe.
> >
> > Something has obviously gone very wrong with our culture.
> >
> > To the extent that we move towards sustainability in our personal lives
> and
> > in our community we will be experiencing the least hardship. To the
> extent
> > that we move in the same direction we will be experiencing the most
> > hardship.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM, <nicholas at themediasociety.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with your sentiments Marc...
> >>
> >> how bad does it need get before we actually get really serious about
> >> the activism around the money system, about democratisation of
> >> finance... the key to democratisation of our economy generally
> >>
> >> the next big financial bubble coming down the geopolitical pipe are
> >> not exactly trivial; carbon trading schemes, and ecosystems
> >> services... the finance houses and big corporates, along with Al Gore
> >> created these new markets, and the next boom and bubble is talked
> >> about being greenhouse gas trading,... next it will be further
> >> privatisation and financialisation of ecosystem services
> >>
> >> we need an Inconvenient Truth for money and finance.. a Tranasition
> >> Town movement for democratisation of finance... a James Hansen for
> >> financialisation of crabon trading, ecosystem services
> >>
> >> when these markets fail, we will lose more than money that doesnt
> exist...
> >>
> >> for change we really can believe in *cough, splutter" we neead
> >> education, organisation and activism
> >>
> >> how can we have education when its so hard to explain ? we need
> >> something highly credible, NOT Zeitgeist - even if its correct, by
> >> default many folks wont believe it, An Inconvenient Truth is still
> >> panned by the far right and other hard core denialists
> >>
> >> >
> >> >    1. Re: Fwd: Where does the "lost" money go ? can we        find it
> >> > and
> >> >       get it back ? (marc fawzi)
> >> >
> >>
> >> > IF the socioeconomic system were also
> >> > revised/reformed/evolved to be more equitable.  Right now, that AIN'T
> >> > going to happen.
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> > Stan: I was waiting for someone to say this.
> >> >
> >> > It ain't if we continue to look at the state as some kind of parent or
> >> sheep
> >> > herder
> >> >
> >> > But it can happen if we get our head out of our ass and start taking
> >> > responsibility for our existence.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Stan Rhodes <stanleyrhodes at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Kevin, added you in case something I said needs to be slapped around
> a
> >> >> bit.
> >> >>
> >>
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>
> --
> --
> Nicholas Roberts
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