[p2p-research] [Open Manufacturing] Fwd: there is no energy crisis

[marc fawzi]

See reply to Michel re: analysis.


On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti at nexaima.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 01:02:03 AM -0800, marc fawzi wrote:
>
>> So what is the time and scale problem? Do you care to explain it in
>> your own words so I can understand your reasoning?
>
> No, for the simple reason that so far I agree with, and have nothing
> to add to, what K. Cobb wrote, so why should I bother? His arguments
> still seem to me more complete and robust than any answer you gave so
> far, including (cfr the latest messages between you and Michel here on
> the list) the "optimist view", which in and by itself is not much of a
> "well reasoned argument". Considering what you've brought to the table
> so far, I have nothing to add to what Cobb and then Michel already
> expanded on the "time and scale" argument.
>
> Especially until, speaking of maths and more proofs, there still are
> these questions floating:
>
>> >  [the papers about Indium/Gallium scarcity are] almost two years
>> >  old. Have there been any newer papers claiming they're wrong, or
>> >  giving concrete evidence that transition to new materials is
>> >  already feasible and can happen without major pain?
>> >
>> > - on a related note, but directly linked to the original topic, that
>> >  is "there's no energy crisis because nanosolar is already here",
>> >  we've still got nothing to counter another objection by Cobb, have
>> >  we? From
>> >  http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch_listcultures.org/2009-February/001415.html
>> >
>> >> Nanosolar will just come up with a substitute, you may say.  Yes,
>> >> perhaps, but when? Keep in mind that the claims they are making
>> >> are based on their current technology which uses these inputs and
>> >> they are not anticipating that they will have to find substitutes
>> >> for these.
>
> Of course, I may be wrong and you 100% right, no problem. It's just
> that, at this point in the thread, I really have nothing to add,
> whatever the reason for this lack of anything to reply may be.
>
> Marco F.
> http://mfioretti.net
>
> --
> Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how
> software is used *around* you:            http://digifreedom.net/node/84
>
> _______________________________________________
> p2presearch mailing list
> p2presearch at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org
>