[p2p-research] [Open Manufacturing] Re: [ox-en] All Work is Created Equal

[marc fawzi]

Here is the latest added section in the "Introduction to the User Manual"
for P2P Energy Economy in case anyone is interested in the topic:
 Work Only If You Love Your Work

The result of trading in goods and services at the cost of work energy it
takes to produce and deliver them is that, unless one manages to produce and
deliver the good and service with less work energy than other producers of
the same good or service, producers will get back the same amount of work
energy in joule tokens as they put in. And since people can sell their own
produced energy, goods or services for joule tokens at the work value of
energy and at cost in work energy it takes to produce and deliver those
goods and services, respectively, and use those joule tokens to get the
goods and services they need at the cost in work energy for delivering those
goods and services, they can go on living indefinitely without the need to
generate 'profits.'

Therefore, the thirst for artificial motivation in the form of profits (i.e.
greed) is out of the picture, which means that people will only do the work
(to produce and deliver a good or service) if and only if they love the
work.

It also means that, since no one has to work unless they love their work, no
one will need -or have any incentive- to work for another person, which
means that most people will be both consumers as well as producers of goods
and services, or "prosumers."
~~

More at: http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:21 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> For example, in the future, fully automated surgery will be available... a
> probing mechanism finds the cancer and takes it out with greater precision
> than a human surgeon ever could.
>
> So if all it takes is electricity then why would it cost $100,000? It
> should cost more like $1000 including R&D cost spread over e.g. 5 years.
>
> So why the 100X factor of profit above cost?
>
> "All Work Energy Is Created Equal" is what the title should say to
> emphasize the absolute value of work energy vs the subjective value of the
> work
>
> In a world of abundance, you don't need to pay for any good or service more
> than the cost of energy it takes to produce and deliver it
>
> You can choose to pay nothing if you can count on giving and getting stuff
> for free which ultimately evolves to barter, which is less efficient form of
> trading than using a currency, so then we're back to using a currency and
> the currency proposed by the P2P Energy Economy model is one that allows
> work energy to be measured in absolute terms.
>
> The full model is available at:
> http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy
>
> Would love to discuss some more....
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:38 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Christian,
>>
>> Here you go:
>>
>> All Work Is Created Equal
>>
>> Technically speaking, in the P2P Energy Economy, tokens of the currency
>> (i.e. money) are created in proportion to the increase in the amount of
>> electric energy flow from nodes with energy surplus to nodes with energy
>> deficit, including households, charging stations, electric vehicle grid, and
>> neighboring communities, which is then converted by those nodes into new
>> work energy, which gives the tokens a real and absolute work value (in
>> joules) in spent energy, which enables its use in trading the goods and
>> services defined under this economy, at the cost of energy it takes to
>> produce and deliver them.
>>
>> To restate this in plain English, it suffice it to say that in the P2P
>> Energy Economy *all work energy is equal* because all work energy is
>> measured using the same absolute-value unit, i.e. the Joule, so a dentist's
>> work energy is not any more valuable than a teacher's work energy, while
>> still allowing those who work harder (produce more work energy) to get more
>> back. In other words, it values all work energy equally while allowing
>> people to work as hard as they please and get compensated based on the
>> absolute value of their work energy not the subjective value of their work.
>>
>> The conditions of sustainable abundance, given below, must be met for all
>> goods and services to be traded under this model. These conditions, when
>> combined with the currency defined under this model, enable a complete
>> departure from today's scarcity enforcing economic model by allowing
>> everyone who wishes to get a given good or service to do so at the absolute
>> work value of the energy it takes to produce and deliver that good or
>> service.
>> 1. On-demand production (which permits predictive inventory management so
>> producers don't have to over produce, which causes waste and inefficiency
>> and is therefore unsustainable, or under produce which causes shortages and
>> high prices, which is also unsustainable) 2. Decentralized production
>> (which assures there's no dependence on a few suppliers) 3. Renewable
>> production (which assures there's no dependence on scarce resources) 4.
>> Scalable production (which assures that volume is not limited by the
>> production process) 5. Open source production and "share alike" licensing
>> (which assures that the good or service can be produced by anyone, while
>> enforcing social and moral rights of the originator, not their right to a
>> monopoly.)
>>
>> When the above conditions are met, for any given good or service, that
>> good or service should be available to everyone who wishes to have at the
>> cost of energy it takes to produce and deliver it.
>>
>> So if health care (as a service) was to meet the above conditions then a
>> visit to the dentist should not cost more than what it takes in energy to
>> render that service.
>>
>> ~~
>>
>> Measuring work energy in joules is like measuring distance in feet or
>> meters....
>>
>> How would you argue against all work energy being equal when it is?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The title could have been "All Energy Is Created Equal" and it could have
>>> stated that human work energy is measured in Joules, which is how it is
>>> measured.
>>>
>>> So I think I might change it to say that and it still would say exactly
>>> the same thing except in a language that doesn't bother people who feel that
>>> human work energy for a dentist is more valuable than human work energy for
>>> a carpenter, when measured by the same stick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Christian Siefkes <christian at siefkes.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> marc fawzi wrote:
>>>> > To restate this in plain English, it suffice it to say that in the P2P
>>>> > Energy Economy all work is equal because all work is measured using
>>>> the same
>>>> > unit of energy, i.e. the Joule, so a dentist's work is not any more
>>>> valuable
>>>> > than a teacher's work, while still allowing those who work harder get
>>>> more
>>>> > back. In other words, it values all work equally while allowing people
>>>> to
>>>> > work as hard as they please and get compensated based on the absolute
>>>> value
>>>> > of their work energy not the subjective value of their work.
>>>>
>>>> Hm, measuring (human) work in joule is a bit like measuring energy in
>>>> meters
>>>> or feet, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>        Christian
>>>>
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>>>> There was only one guy in the whole Bible Jesus ever personally promised
>>>> a place with him in Paradise. Not Peter, not Paul, not any of those
>>>> guys.
>>>> He was a convicted thief, being executed.
>>>>        -- Neil Gaiman, American Gods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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