[p2p-research] Request: Peer to Peer and Human Evolution

Wed Dec 23 10:36:30 CET 2009

That's fine, Peter, good timing,

Michel

2009/12/23 Mázsa Péter <peter.mazsa at gmail.com>

> Hi Michael,
>
> I'll contact you (cc Chris & the Research List) asap, I think first
> half of january. We are translating the amendment and I should clear
> some open issues for myself. I am driving to Berlin for 2 weeks, there
> I'll have time to think. Stef suggested we should argue on open
> standards & other stuff in english: I feel inclined to accept this in
> order to be able to have your opinion.
>
> Peter
>
> 2009/12/23 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > thanks for the details,
> >
> > on what point exactly are you asking my opinion?
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > 2009/12/23 Mázsa Péter <peter.mazsa at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> No, I think you should not refrain.
> >>
> >> The main question is whether p2p process is a necessary condition for
> >> a standard to be open: based on my research in Hungarian sketched in
> >> English
> >>
> http://visszaajovo.be/mazsa/the-5-and-only-5-open-standards-requirements
> >> I am not sure about it, and there is not yet an official standpoint.
> >> We should make it clear publicly first in Hungarian.
> >>
> >> However, like stef, I prefer setting standards p2p rather than g2p
> >> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1483836&cid=30495906
> >>
> >> This is the official formula: "Nevertheless, there is much yet to be
> >> done to have the specifications of sockets established in the future
> >> more by means of a public process rather than exclusively by the
> >> government."
> >>
> http://nyissz.hu/blog/10-points-on-the-mandatory-use-of-open-standards-in-hungary/
> >>
> >> And this is our strategy @EU-level
> >> "In the near future, [...]
> >> in spite of EU tendencies [
> >>
> >>
> http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2620&blogid=14
> >> ] the Alliance seeks to make its approach – interoperability based on
> >> publicly defined [!] open standards – the EU norm under the Hungarian
> >> presidency of the European Union in 2011. To that end, it will promote
> >> public collaboration – possibly between every interested party, civil
> >> and political organisation in the European Union."
> >>
> >>
> http://nyissz.hu/blog/10-points-on-the-mandatory-use-of-open-standards-in-hungary/
> >>
> >> About global strategy I am intended to publish later, definitely in
> >> spirit of p2p: i'll be interested very much in your opinion.
> >>
> >> Yours:
> >> P.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/12/22 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
> >> > should I understand from the comments of stef in the fcforum list that
> >> > we
> >> > should refrain from further publishing it?
> >> >
> >> > Michel
> >> >
> >> > 2009/12/22 Mázsa Péter <peter.mazsa at gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> I realized because we got hits from your blog. Thanks, both of you:)
> >> >> Yours,
> >> >> P.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/12/22 chris at cataspanglish.com <chris at cataspanglish.com>:
> >> >> > ;-)
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 22 Dec 2009, at 14:28, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dear Peter,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > by coincidence, chris pinchen just published it on our blog,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > see:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/10-points-on-the-mandatory-use-of-open-standards-in-hungary/2009/12/22
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2009/12/18 Mázsa Péter <peter.mazsa at gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi Michael,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> could you help me to publish this article:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://nyissz.hu/blog/10-points-on-the-mandatory-use-of-open-standards-in-hungary/
> >> >> >> We have been working on this since 2007.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And/or tweet:
> >> >> >> http://j.mp/OpenStandardsinHungary
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thank you:
> >> >> >> Peter
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2007/1/4 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
> >> >> >> > Hi Peter,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > thanks for the clarification.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The publication I mentioned the other day is called Eurozine, I
> >> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > the URL handy, but I'm sure you can google it. It's a
> >> >> >> > collaboration
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > many
> >> >> >> > small magazines in Europe,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Prof. Maes already replied to me that he couldn't help you,
> >> >> >> > hopefully
> >> >> >> > we'll
> >> >> >> > get other reactions,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Nora is a hungarian friend I used to know in Brussels, you never
> >> >> >> > know
> >> >> >> > she is
> >> >> >> > connected, and George used to work for EBU,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Michel
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 1/4/07, Mázsa Péter <peter.mazsa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi M,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for this, but unfortunately, I'm not at all a
> 'big-shot'
> >> >> >> >> > <g>,
> >> >> >> >> you are in the "saving the world" business:-), defined by your
> >> >> >> >> aims,
> >> >> >> >> so i keep my opinion:-)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > The only thing I can do is to forward it to a few people that
> I
> >> >> >> >> > know,
> >> >> >> >> > who
> >> >> >> >> >  might in turn know some other people ..
> >> >> >> >> > So, in cc, some people that might be better connected,
> >> >> >> >> thank you!!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > I would also be slightly less agressive against your
> political
> >> >> >> >> > competition, so that it does appear less as a internal
> matter,
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > more
> >> >> >> >> > as a
> >> >> >> >> > transpartisan european matter.
> >> >> >> >> these guys are not my political competition since i not define
> >> >> >> >> myself
> >> >> >> >> through the ruling party either. I got into this affair like
> >> >> >> >> Pilate
> >> >> >> >> into the Credo: i wrote an article before the elections on what
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> winner should do independently of his site, sent BOTH of the
> >> >> >> >> nominees
> >> >> >> >> in the SAME email, and the winner asked me to participate in
> this
> >> >> >> >> cabinet of the government.
> >> >> >> >> I think both sites got something in the present article: the
> >> >> >> >> ruling
> >> >> >> >> one that he admitted to lying and that he is making half-baked
> >> >> >> >> reforms, and the other is that he is unable to stop his
> demagogy
> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> after the elections: don't u know this phenomenon from your
> >> >> >> >> experience? i think this is a general problem and we could
> invent
> >> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> processes at EU-level to handle this myopia. This is why it is
> a
> >> >> >> >> transpartisan european matter. My article may be simply bad,
> >> >> >> >> means
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> is not able to getting through with this message.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thank you once more,
> >> >> >> >> yours,
> >> >> >> >> P.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > The P2P Foundation researches, documents and promotes peer to
> peer
> >> >> >> > alternatives.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Wiki and Encyclopedia, at http://p2pfoundation.net; Blog, at
> >> >> >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net; Newsletter, at
> >> >> >> > http://integralvisioning.org/index.php?topic=p2p
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499;
> >> >> >> > interview
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html;
> >> >> >> > video interview, at
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/09/29/network_collaboration_peer_to_peer.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University -
> Think
> >> >> > thank:
> >> >> > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
> >> >> >
> >> >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> >> >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
> >> >> >
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens;
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> >> >> > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> >> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> > --
> >> > Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Think
> >> > thank:
> >> > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
> >> >
> >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >> >
> >> > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
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> >> >
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> >
> > --
> > Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Think
> thank:
> > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
> >
> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >
> > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
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> >
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