[p2p-research] Workshop on Media Ecologies: Q&A: Sam Rose

Wed Aug 26 02:40:25 CEST 2009

Sam,

where can I find a nice overview summary of the basic needs that need to be
covered by a p2p infrastructure,

I'd love to have this, and work on some illustrations to show what kind of
community-enterpreneurial-funding coalitions would be necessary to carry it
out. I feel this mapping and call for enterpreneurial coalitions may well be
the next focus of the p2p foundation,

Michel

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Right, we might say that the paper folding is stored so other folk or
> bots
> > might fold the paper in that same configuration later on.
> > You may not have paper and want to make it yourself? Okay, there's your
> > representation, here's where the materials are located. No bots in the
> area?
> > No problem, all of this is in walking distance, and other folk may be
> > interested in your project to help place those needed items closer to
> your
> > location.
> >>
>
> Nathan, I am sorry to tell you that I personally have little interest
> in investing the amount of time that I know it will take to create and
> execute the paper folding bot in 3D room demonstration that you are
> suggesting here.
>
>
> I am personally much more interested in putting time like that into
> practical applications that can help people, like developing
> automation systems for aquaponics and hydropnics, creating protocols
> for open source software systems that people are currently using to
> talk to each other, creating mobile food processing units for use in
> local food systems, things like that.
>
> The idea is cool, but not something that I am interested in investing
> time into. In the end, we'd have a robot that can fold paper :-)
>
>
>
> >
> > How 'bout EMC? Fenn forwarded this info to the OM list.
> > http://wiki.openkollab.com/wagn/Enhanced_Machine_Controller_EMC
> >
>
> I use EMC2 http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/2/4/lang,en/ I agree
> it is great!
>
>
> >>
> >> Although, it seems like it would be easier to just use telesurgery
> >> robots and cameras if you want to do remote folding! I guess it
> >> depends on what the real goal is here.
> >
> > The goal is to do anything remotely!
> >
>
> Our goal here is to first help people address the basic needs for
> energy, food, shelter, and general physiological and psychological
> survival using open source software and technology. Retorifitting
> existing urban infrastructure, putting vacant land and buildings to
> use, localizing food production, that sort of thing. I frankly way too
> busy with that work to rise the challenge of the remote paper folding
> robot.
>
>
>
> >>
> >> A more practically immediately implementable example, IMO,  of what
> >> FLOWS and open standards can do with regard to flexible fabrication
> >> would be to allow people to store and serve multiple parts of a
> >> "package" of CAD files, bill of materials, parametrics data, and any
> >> other relative data about a technology, or the technologies needed to
> >> make that technology, in a distrbuted way (like on multiple servers).
> >
> > I hope Zach (cc'd) you might have something to say on this with his work
> in
> > CAD repositories (Thingiverse) and distributed manufacturing. You're
> coming
> > to the workshop, right? ;)
>
> Yes, coming to the workshop for sure.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> These packages could still be maintained by a specific project or
> >> person. That project or person would really do the job of "vetting"
> >> the contents of that package so that other people reasonably know they
> >> can trust it.
> >
> > It would be best if this aspect were automated, via rates of selection,
> 'do
> > you like?' input requests, or some other automated selection criteriori.
> >
>
>
>
> Well, think of it this way, you could make a standard way to represent
> a package, and then you could make unlimited applications that add in
> functionality like question asking (just as there are multiple
> applications that work with debian package management system). I would
> not put this extra functionality into a package management system
> itself, though.
>
>
> >>
> >> But, the same files could live in many, many packages,
> >> each maintained by a specific maintainer. FLOWS gives a standard way
> >> of letting a system know that your files or data are part of a package
> >> (or to submit for inclusion in a package). Now, you can park your
> >> design files *anywhere*, yet they can still be part of a package.
> >
> > Yes. Redudancy where it counts, just in case a server or two crashes--the
> > mesh gots you covered.
> >
> >>
> >> Another practical immediate example is that you could export certain
> >> contents of those files to be repackaged as a PDF, and even create a
> >> print on demand book from that collection of files. You could actually
> >> export a collection of files in any way that is possible through
> >> existing open source libraries. A FLOWS based component could also
> >> send out all kinds of meta data about the packages. Who is accessing
> >> them, multiple materials sources for what the package is made of, etc
> >
> > Sounds as if that would be a practical implement you can charge these
> > proprietarians for royally so as to put the reserve notes to better use:
> > meaning: less. ;)
> >
> > Nathan
>
>
>
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