[p2p-research] Kind of a neat open source tool -- ShiftSpace (Ryan Lanham)
Matt Cooperrider
mattcooperrider at gmail.com
Wed Aug 26 01:29:44 CEST 2009
The Shiftspace team is Brooklyn based, and I'm friendly with them. They
(especially Mushon) are always on the lookout for new opportunities and
applications. Anyone interested should not hesitate to reach out. I can
put you in touch if you like.
MC
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http://www.shiftspace.org/
Ryan
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> 5. Carbon negative building material 7x stronger than concrete
> (Ryan Lanham)
> 6. Kind of a neat open source tool -- ShiftSpace (Ryan Lanham)
> 7. 100K garages (Ryan Lanham)
> 8. Arts writers focused on a post-industrial world... (Ryan Lanham)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:54:50 -0400
> From: "Paul D. Fernhout" <pdfernhout at kurtz-fernhout.com>
> Subject: [p2p-research] Picture of Solar Area to power the world
> To: Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
> Cc: Open Manufacturing <openmanufacturing at googlegroups.com>
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> Eric Hunting wrote to the Open Manufacturing list:
> > Interesting picture. Have others seen this?
> >
> >
> http://www.landartgenerator.org/blagi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/AreaRequired1000.jpg
>
> From there:
>
> http://www.landartgenerator.org/blagi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/AreaRequired1000.jpg
> "Surface area required to power the world with zero carbon emissons and
> with
> solar panels alone. ... The large square is the Saharan Desert (1/4 of the
> overall 2030 required area) would power all of Europe and North Africa.
> Though very large, it is still 18 times less than the total area of that
> desert."
>
> It looks about right to me. :-) And that's probably with solar panels of
> 10%
> efficiency (the kind in production). With 40% efficient solar panels, the
> land use would shrink by a factor of four (or two times in each direction).
>
> I'd be curious to see such a map of land currently devoted to fossil fuel
> extraction and consumption in power plants. I'd expect it would be roughly
> the same in overall area, maybe larger. The same for land use devoted to
> road use. Or land use devoted to cities.
>
> Note that as they say on that picture; "The 19 contiguous areas show what
> would be a reasonable responsibility for various parts of the world. They
> would be further divide many times..."
>
> So, that picture is to give you a sense of scale, but people might put
> panels on rooftops or over parking lots in order to have more local energy
> security or lower energy transmission costs. So, we might never have big
> sites like those, but if we did, those look like good places to put them.
>
> I found interesting the note on the front page of that Land Art Generator
> site: "Art has the ability to create movements and stimulate creative
> dialogue. The artist community has long taken a critical approach to the
> problems of energy use and production, which has helped to open the public
> eye to the severity of the problems facing us. The time is now for artists
> to go further and take an active role in solving the problem through their
> own work."
>
> So, all part of "Blessed Unrest" that peer production takes part in:
> http://www.blessedunrest.com/
>
> --Paul Fernhout
> http://www.pdfernhout.net/
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:07:23 -0400
> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] The failure of micro-credit?
> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> Message-ID:
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> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Michel Bauwens<michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > would your system be similar with the revolving savinds and loan pools
> > already massively practiced in many countries of the south?
> >
> > Michel
> >
>
>
> I suppose so, except that I would personally try and disclude the
> "loans" part. It would instead be "pool and invest".
>
> In my opinion, the nature of money itself also needs to change. What
> money is valued against should change to something that is constant
> (like energy), and represented in natural systems.
>
> The other issue is that I think projects to finance localities should
> start out with talking to people, providing a plurality of
> options/scenarios/etc, a that locals may not be aware of, and
> ultimately asking them what they want and need, and providing that.
>
> Some people may be convinced that they want and need loans, and have a
> really good reason for that. They should be able to have
> self-sustaining system where they are able support one another on
> local scales, whether it be by way of loans, investment, barter, gift
> giving, or any other means. People should be able to choose and
> execute the activities that work for them. They don't need someone
> like me telling them that they don't need loans, if loans are exactly
> what they believe they need. The best that I can do is make them aware
> of other potential options. The question should be "what kind of local
> infrastructure do you need to meet basic food, energy, shelter,
> physiological and psychological survival needs?" Micro finance (small
> and well used amounts of money and resources) is actually already able
> to meet those needs right now today by creating the infrastructure
> people are asking for. It could be done via loans, investment, or
> donation based systems (sometimes you may donate as an investment to
> help change conditions, or to help build commons based systems), or
> via donated time.
>
>
>
> --
> Sam Rose
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>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:10:43 -0400
> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Workshop on Media Ecologies: Q&A: Sam Rose
> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Cc: hoeken at gmail.com, Peer-To-Peer Research List
> <p2presearch at listcultures.org>, kirsty boyle
> <kirsty at openmaterials.org>, Catarina Mota <
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> Yes, I would not recommend changing wiki engine until you see a real
> need to do so.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Michel Bauwens<michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > thanks for the wagn explanation Sam, and Nathan, unfortunately, no time
> to
> > play with another wiki engine for the moment, I have to remain focused on
> my
> > p2p-f work, which is a challenge already, given my full-time job,
> >
> > Michel
> >
>
> --
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> http://communitywiki.org
>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:29:58 -0400
> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] Workshop on Media Ecologies: Q&A: Sam Rose
> To: Nathan Cravens <knuggy at gmail.com>
> Cc: hoeken at gmail.com, Peer-To-Peer Research List
> <p2presearch at listcultures.org>, kirsty boyle
> <kirsty at openmaterials.org>, Catarina Mota <
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> >
> > Right, we might say that the paper folding is stored so other folk or
> bots
> > might fold the paper in that same configuration later on.
> > You may not have paper and want to make it yourself? Okay, there's your
> > representation, here's where the materials are located. No bots in the
> area?
> > No problem, all of this is in walking distance, and other folk may be
> > interested in your project to help place those needed items closer to
> your
> > location.
> >>
>
> Nathan, I am sorry to tell you that I personally have little interest
> in investing the amount of time that I know it will take to create and
> execute the paper folding bot in 3D room demonstration that you are
> suggesting here.
>
>
> I am personally much more interested in putting time like that into
> practical applications that can help people, like developing
> automation systems for aquaponics and hydropnics, creating protocols
> for open source software systems that people are currently using to
> talk to each other, creating mobile food processing units for use in
> local food systems, things like that.
>
> The idea is cool, but not something that I am interested in investing
> time into. In the end, we'd have a robot that can fold paper :-)
>
>
>
> >
> > How 'bout EMC? Fenn forwarded this info to the OM list.
> > http://wiki.openkollab.com/wagn/Enhanced_Machine_Controller_EMC
> >
>
> I use EMC2 http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/2/4/lang,en/ I agree
> it is great!
>
>
> >>
> >> Although, it seems like it would be easier to just use telesurgery
> >> robots and cameras if you want to do remote folding! I guess it
> >> depends on what the real goal is here.
> >
> > The goal is to do anything remotely!
> >
>
> Our goal here is to first help people address the basic needs for
> energy, food, shelter, and general physiological and psychological
> survival using open source software and technology. Retorifitting
> existing urban infrastructure, putting vacant land and buildings to
> use, localizing food production, that sort of thing. I frankly way too
> busy with that work to rise the challenge of the remote paper folding
> robot.
>
>
>
> >>
> >> A more practically immediately implementable example, IMO, ?of what
> >> FLOWS and open standards can do with regard to flexible fabrication
> >> would be to allow people to store and serve multiple parts of a
> >> "package" of CAD files, bill of materials, parametrics data, and any
> >> other relative data about a technology, or the technologies needed to
> >> make that technology, in a distrbuted way (like on multiple servers).
> >
> > I hope Zach (cc'd) you might have something to say on this with his work
> in
> > CAD repositories (Thingiverse) and distributed manufacturing. You're
> coming
> > to the workshop, right? ;)
>
> Yes, coming to the workshop for sure.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> These packages could still be maintained by a specific project or
> >> person. That project or person would really do the job of "vetting"
> >> the contents of that package so that other people reasonably know they
> >> can trust it.
> >
> > It would be best if this aspect were automated, via rates of selection,
> 'do
> > you like?' input requests, or some other automated selection criteriori.
> >
>
>
>
> Well, think of it this way, you could make a standard way to represent
> a package, and then you could make unlimited applications that add in
> functionality like question asking (just as there are multiple
> applications that work with debian package management system). I would
> not put this extra functionality into a package management system
> itself, though.
>
>
> >>
> >> But, the same files could live in many, many packages,
> >> each maintained by a specific maintainer. FLOWS gives a standard way
> >> of letting a system know that your files or data are part of a package
> >> (or to submit for inclusion in a package). Now, you can park your
> >> design files *anywhere*, yet they can still be part of a package.
> >
> > Yes. Redudancy where it counts, just in case a server or two crashes--the
> > mesh gots you covered.
> >
> >>
> >> Another practical immediate example is that you could export certain
> >> contents of those files to be repackaged as a PDF, and even create a
> >> print on demand book from that collection of files. You could actually
> >> export a collection of files in any way that is possible through
> >> existing open source libraries. A FLOWS based component could also
> >> send out all kinds of meta data about the packages. Who is accessing
> >> them, multiple materials sources for what the package is made of, etc
> >
> > Sounds as if that would be a practical implement you can charge these
> > proprietarians for royally so as to put the reserve notes to better use:
> > meaning: less. ;)
> >
> > Nathan
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Sam Rose
> Social Synergy
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> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
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> http://notanemployee.net
> http://communitywiki.org
>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:33:51 -0500
> From: Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [p2p-research] Carbon negative building material 7x stronger
> than concrete
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> From: Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [p2p-research] Kind of a neat open source tool -- ShiftSpace
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> From: Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [p2p-research] 100K garages
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> The idea is a consortium of micro-manufacturers...
>
> http://100kgarages.com/Design_and_drawing_thoughts.html
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> http://www.dark-mountain.net/
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