[p2p-research] About the concept of holoptism etc.

Thu Aug 20 08:20:16 CEST 2009

both avenues, ning or this list, are fine ...

there is less traffic on ning though ...

Michel

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Juhana Kokkonen <juhana.kokkonen at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Michel, Bas and all the others ;)
>
> this all sounds very fascinating and I must really put time on those
> links and texts you mailed. All my earlier questions are still more
> than relevant to me. Maybe it would be best for all, if I put some
> kind of improved query to Ning-group, so I don't spam people who are
> not so interested in my topics (?).
>
> So we will see there in the next few weeks (I'm writing my research in
> Finnish so I must do some translations...)
>
> Yep,
> Juhana
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:53, Bas Reus<bas.reus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Interesting questions Juhana.
> > I'm currently doing research about self-organization and online
> > collaborative spaces (http://basreus.nl/).
> > Roughly, my research question is "How to support self-organization in
> > organizations, and how to imbed online collaborative spaces in those
> > organizations to empower employees for self-organization?", and mention
> > topics as stigmergy, swarm-intelligence, organizational forms,
> autopoiesis
> > and the like.
> > Are your questions still relevant? If not, can you update them?
> > Cheers,
> > Bas Reus
> > http://basreus.nl/
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Juhana,
> >>
> >> I found this old email to which I did not respond, sorry for that.
> >>
> >> Are you aware of the seminar that Athina is organizing with me in Hull,
> >> where your topic would be most appropriate? see
> >>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Virtual_Communication,_Collaboration_and_Conflict_Research_Group
> >>
> >> your questions below are a little too complex for a short answer, but we
> >> can always skype about it?
> >>
> >> This text would be a must read on the topic, see
> >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Towards_Collaborative_Community
> >>
> >> and have you seen mark pesce's the tower and the cloud text?,
> >>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/mark-pesce-how-the-power-of-the-cloud-affects-the-cloud-of-power/2009/05/16
> >>
> >> are you familiar with the integral AQAL framework, that I would use, if
> I
> >> had time, to respond to your query in detail ... in short; there are 4
> >> levels subjective, intersubjective (culture), objective (technology),
> >> interobjective (systems), where this conflict plays out
> >>
> >> are you familiar with bioteaming (ken thompson),
> >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Bioteaming
> >>
> >> mark elliot's stigmergic collaboration,
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Stigmergy
> >>
> >> I think that Tom Rawlings and Bas Reus, are either interested, or
> working
> >> on the topic.
> >>
> >> all the people mentioned above are in cc,
> >>
> >> Perhaps you could post this query at Ning,
> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/,
> >> or on the p2p research list, where we could start a dialogue on it?
> >>
> >> I found the first reference to holoptism, in a report on collective
> >> intelligence by jean-francois noubel, see
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Holoptism
> >>
> >> Michel
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Juhana Kokkonen
> >> <juhana.kokkonen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Michel,
> >>> it was a honour to meet you yesterday in Medialab Helsinki. I was the
> guy
> >>> who asked the origin of the concept of the "holoptism" and I thought
> that it
> >>> would be easier to ask the writer and the book/article by email. So who
> was
> >>> it and what was the text? ;)
> >>> ***
> >>> Unfortunately the meeting was so short that I didn't get the chance to
> >>> answer you about the swarm-like structures vs. strong (normal) social
> >>> networks. So if you have some day time to discuss about this subject
> with
> >>> me, I would be very pleased.
> >>> So: of course I don't expect that normal connections or social
> relations
> >>> vanishes > the idea is more like that there will be one layer more in
> >>> collaboration and/or communication. I see the concept of swarm-like
> >>> structures a new way to find interesting people to collaborate and a
> light
> >>> way to make border crossing between different institutions and social
> >>> networks.
> >>> I also started to think after meeting you the conflict between
> >>> "traditional organizations" and "transparent swarms" (or holoptic
> activity
> >>> or something like that). I see this as a essential problem in my
> >>> organizational change process.
> >>>   - What are the causes for this conflict from your viewpoint?
> >>>   - And do you see, what kind of actions could solve this conflict?
> >>> Is conflict between control and drifting? Power? Habits? Mental models?
> >>> Ok, there is too much questions, but I appreciate if you can give some
> kind
> >>> of opinion from your point of view ;)
> >>> Yours,
> >>> Juhana Kokkonen
> >>
> >>
> >>
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