[p2p-research] tale of a stolen computer

Thu Apr 30 14:56:02 CEST 2009

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>
> oh bt way (I forgot) we have p2paid.org, a system dveloped on drupal just
> to do this
> (already created)
> >>

I checked it out and I don't see how to create a collective fund raising
account .... Could you just describe the steps to setup a collective fund?

Using a wiki to report the amount raised and show transactions, etc, and
having a person actually do the updates manually is not an efficient process
and it may be error prone or slow and thus not as effective. Plus the key
feature of Fundable is that none of the funds are taken until the fund
reaches its goal! (when the total to be raised is reached)

Let's continue with Fundable given it's advantages and if it does work for
us in this experiment we can think about cloning it and offering it (the
same exact model) for no fee or very low fee. That is to say we liberate the
good and well thought out idea that is behind Fundable.

The proof is in the pudding (or in the eating of the pudding) so let's see
how many more people will donate to Michel's netbook cause through Fundable!

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If the Fundable experiment works (if people use the Fudnable application
>> to donate to Michel) then we would see that it works (i.e. people like to
>> use a transparent zero-risk way to raise funds with others) and we would be
>> encouraged to raise some money to clone Fundable (on fundable itself!!! to
>> make a statement, which I think is an important aspect to ths storytelling
>> afterwards) then outsource and manage the development of it, collectively.
>> It's very simple to build a similar application, and then we can all be
>> proud of creating a true p2p alternative (i.e. one without outrageous fee)
>> that serves our own money needs... and currencies can be built on top of
>> that, etc, although that's extremely far thinking, but I wanna explicitly
>> state where I see us going with this... if it works.
>>
>> In any case, I'm committed to closing the Fundable fund successfuly,
>> including donating the full amount. Michel could use any contribution. He
>> has delivered immense value and deserves maximum support, especially when it
>> creates an opportunity for us to make the change we want happen, through
>> careful but bold steps!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:38 AM, <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> actually I had not realised it would cost 10 pc. is that on top of
>>> paypal/credit card fees?
>>> you are right, its unnecessary cause no real value is added other thank
>>> tracking the fund
>>> just start a page, any page on any wiki, saying what you ahve contributed
>>> so that we can keep
>>> track of the progress of the contributions
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Christian Siefkes <
>>> christian at siefkes.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> marc fawzi wrote:
>>>> > We've made the decision to try this route and we'll bite the cost this
>>>> > time, but you're very encouraged to PayPal Michel directly if you
>>>> can't
>>>> > justify the Fundable model.
>>>>
>>>> Michel, if you give me your Paypad details I'll donate a (small -- don't
>>>> have a regular income at the moment) amount directly.
>>>>
>>>> Hervé Le Crosnier wrote:
>>>> >       Though I totally agree with Christian, i have
>>>> >       contribute on fundable, because I think nothing
>>>> >       will be up in a few days....
>>>>
>>>> Everybody who has a Paypal account or credit card can pay through
>>>> Fundable,
>>>> and everybody who has a credit card can pay through Paypal, so I don't
>>>> see
>>>> what is the advantage of Fundable in this case.
>>>>
>>>> If some people prefer Fundable over Paypal for whatever reasons, we
>>>> could
>>>> first make a public call for Paypal donations and then start a new
>>>> Fundable
>>>> collection for the rest. If we get 120$ through Paypal and 120$ through
>>>> Fundable, we have already reduced the fee by half.
>>>>
>>>> As I understand it, Fundable collections that don't close successfully
>>>> don't
>>>> cost anything, so we could just tear down the current one and open up a
>>>> new,
>>>> smaller one, without any problems.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>        Christian
>>>>
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