[p2p-research] The Change Economy

Wed Apr 29 16:16:42 CEST 2009

right on sam,

your last paragraph quote is really great,

Michel


On 4/28/09, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> PS. this perspective came to me by way of Stanley Salthe,
> http://www.nbi.dk/~natphil/salthe/  Salthe's emphasis on the "traidic"
> nature of existence came in turn from http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~sji/Sung Chul Ji, who derived concepts from Charles S Peirce's semiotics.
>
> The core idea is founded in changing the way the we understand, and the way
> that we understand how others understand, and the nature of all information
> in the universe itself, and how that can inform how we operate within it.
>
> http://biosemiosis.blogspot.com/2008/07/macro-vs-microsemiosis.html
>
> To survive and thrive, human systems *need* a not just a network view, but
> a multi-dimensional, multi-scaled view and definition of systems. this will
> help us see how many, many people can operate and multiply many forms of
> wealth within systems that previously seemed easily depletable. Peer
> networks are vital to creating the multi-dimensional maps and models and
> views that will allow all of us to see the cornacopia of options that now
> exist, provided we can shift out focus from exploitation and control, to
> existential symbiosis with everything that is around us, on as many scales
> as possible
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> One of the things about the network economy is that it's total value is
>> irrelevant to participants, who realize that the system they participate in
>> is constantly changing, and that there is no way to get an accurate picture.
>>
>>
>> The perspective of the size of the economy is mostly important when making
>> arguments for people who see everything as resources to be exploited, and
>> capitalized upon, instead of cultivation.
>>
>> The real answer is that the value of *network economies* is potentially
>> only limited by the abilties, agility, and symbiotic efficiency of the
>> people and entities that make up the network. Their is a potential to
>> sustainably scale up and down, in scales of complexity. Now, we mostly
>> operate within one scale of complexity. (see
>> http://www.isss.org/hierarchy.htm Hierachy Theory)  But, the liberated
>> and exploratory nature of networked economies also means that we can
>> potentially operate on all scales, which are ultimately theoretically
>> infinite. How do you measure the value of that? Most economists will scoff
>> at that notion. Yet, in our lifetimes, I think the above realization will
>> end up being a human evolutionary milestone.
>>
>> And, I do believe that you have benevolent motivations, so no worries from
>> here on that! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> AHITU is a great book.
>>>
>>> I'm asking because it seems for the first time "change" (and more
>>> specifically, and as you say, 'network enabled change') is maturing into a
>>> full fledged economy and I'm personally interested in figuring out the size
>>> of the change economy.... no business motivation, just my own curiosity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marc,
>>>>
>>>> There are actually some rather old models on this.
>>>>
>>>> If you start with Stuart Kauffman
>>>> http://www.citeulike.org/user/VRadenovic/article/158503 At Home in the
>>>> Universe, you'll get some background on the network and system dynamics
>>>> related to this type of change. On a systems scale, the lower cost of
>>>> creating and using "open source" coupled with the fact that these projects
>>>> are often coupled to networks, tends to increase wealth generation, and the
>>>> divergent filling of niches possible with cores that are optimized for
>>>> flexible customization and re-use, tends to open up more niches to be
>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the numbers in dollars. We (our network) could fill a
>>>> role in taking the lead on research like this. There may be some useful info
>>>> at http://www.longtail.com/the_long_tail/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone out there has a good view of all the economic
>>>>> activity that is related to "change"
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, the number of companies that are open sourcing their
>>>>> proprietary software or processes, and what that is creating in terms of
>>>>> economic activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another example, the number of universities that are open sourcing
>>>>> their courses (like MIT, Stanford) and those implementing 'holistic
>>>>> education', what that is creating in terms of economic activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if someone has the time to give us a good description of the
>>>>> change economy and it's size (e.g. total spending on change in dollars.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc Fawzi
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>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcfawzi
>>>>>
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>>> Marc Fawzi
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Sam Rose
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>>
>> "Long ago, we brought you all this fire.
>> Do not imagine we are still chained to that rock...."
>>
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>>
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>
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