[p2p-research] Google as Open Kindle Maker?

[marc fawzi]

Well, I'm speaking in terms of the software architecture. What makes
something p2p to a software developer is the absence of centralized servers
except for coordination (for efficiency, optional)

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc,
>
> If you are right, and p2p is truly my machine to yours, we need a notion of
> quasi-p2p where an enabler sits between us.  To my mind there are always
> layers of enablers.
>
> Ryan Lanham
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:55 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My definition of p2p is direct client to client (pc to pc) not going
>> through a centralized grid/cloud or whatever
>>
>> So when I say this is not p2p I mean it in the software architecture
>> context...
>>
>> Sorry for confusion
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:33 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> wasn't familiar with them by name but I had heard of such a group
>>>>
>>>> they're pro autonomy but they're not pro p2p (as in p2p cloud) ..
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think I agree with that, free network services is a open version
>>> of the cloud, and they're critical of non-open corporate clouds
>>>
>>>
>>>> maybe just picking the most viable fight.. until IPv6 becomes
>>>> mainstream, which is give rise to p2p cloud services... and that's honestly
>>>> what's exciting about technology: it makes us, we don't make it.
>>>>
>>>> will definitely let you know if i write something substantial about it..
>>>> but there would have to be something new to write about, not just repeating
>>>> what is being said re: open clouds... a "cloud" to me is a p2p network..
>>>> otherwise, it's a friggin DATA CENTER.. they (Google, MS, IBM, et al)
>>>> hijacked the term cloud (or at least the meaning I had associated with it
>>>> the last 15 years)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you ever write something structured about this, let me know,
>>>>>
>>>>> are you familiar with autonomo.us and the franklin street statement?
>>>>>
>>>>> they're fighting the good fight,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those "free" services are costing us our autonomy from one of the
>>>>>> world's biggest capitalists... and in the case of network-centric computing
>>>>>> (aka cloud services) it's costing us in resilience and sustainable abundance
>>>>>> (due to single point of failure and concentration of power, respectively)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't think deeply enough about things. So to say that
>>>>>> Google's "free" services aren't costing us anything is incorrect, based on
>>>>>> what it is costing us in autonomy, resilience and sustainable abundance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://jwikert.typepad.com/the_average_joe/2009/04/amazon-vs-google.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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