[p2p-research] Google as Open Kindle Maker?

[Ryan Lanham]

Marc,

If you are right, and p2p is truly my machine to yours, we need a notion of
quasi-p2p where an enabler sits between us.  To my mind there are always
layers of enablers.

Ryan Lanham



On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:55 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> My definition of p2p is direct client to client (pc to pc) not going
> through a centralized grid/cloud or whatever
>
> So when I say this is not p2p I mean it in the software architecture
> context...
>
> Sorry for confusion
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:33 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> wasn't familiar with them by name but I had heard of such a group
>>>
>>> they're pro autonomy but they're not pro p2p (as in p2p cloud) ..
>>
>>
>> I don't think I agree with that, free network services is a open version
>> of the cloud, and they're critical of non-open corporate clouds
>>
>>
>>> maybe just picking the most viable fight.. until IPv6 becomes mainstream,
>>> which is give rise to p2p cloud services... and that's honestly what's
>>> exciting about technology: it makes us, we don't make it.
>>>
>>> will definitely let you know if i write something substantial about it..
>>> but there would have to be something new to write about, not just repeating
>>> what is being said re: open clouds... a "cloud" to me is a p2p network..
>>> otherwise, it's a friggin DATA CENTER.. they (Google, MS, IBM, et al)
>>> hijacked the term cloud (or at least the meaning I had associated with it
>>> the last 15 years)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you ever write something structured about this, let me know,
>>>>
>>>> are you familiar with autonomo.us and the franklin street statement?
>>>>
>>>> they're fighting the good fight,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>>  On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:52 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Those "free" services are costing us our autonomy from one of the
>>>>> world's biggest capitalists... and in the case of network-centric computing
>>>>> (aka cloud services) it's costing us in resilience and sustainable abundance
>>>>> (due to single point of failure and concentration of power, respectively)
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't think deeply enough about things. So to say that
>>>>> Google's "free" services aren't costing us anything is incorrect, based on
>>>>> what it is costing us in autonomy, resilience and sustainable abundance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://jwikert.typepad.com/the_average_joe/2009/04/amazon-vs-google.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>
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