[p2p-research] Was Re: P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone / Now P2P and Futurism

[marc fawzi]

I mean we already have a "tarns-humanist ideology" without any signs of a
trans-humanists. People putting RFID tags under their skins does not make
them trans-human. People planting dumb cameras in their eye socket does not
make them trans-human.

A vision can exist for sure, and is part of human nature, but for some
people I have met on Open Manufacturing and elsewhere they pretend that they
are trans-human already and they abide by some ideology that they ascribe to
trans-humans even when they're still bearded kids sitting in some dorm or
their mom's basement.

Ok, done venting. :-)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Michel is referring to the ideology in a vacuum, i.e. in the
> absence of anything real.
>
> You can have a vision in the absence of something real to substantiate it
> and that is called futuring or visioning and it's part of human nature.
>
> But you cannot have an ideology in the absence of something real to
> substantiate it.
>
> So the issue, IMO, is vision vs ideology.
>
> Ideology that is there before there is any supporting reality is delusion.
>
> Vision is different, as it foreshadows what is to come and does not pretend
> that it is already here.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sam,
>>>
>>> as you perhaps know, I studied for a number of years the implications of
>>> the  transhuman promises, when making TechnoCalyps,
>>>
>>> my problems are:
>>>
>>> 1) people like kurzweil and other superlatives go seemlessly, and
>>> unwarrantedly, from actual research, to the promise of the research, to
>>> imagining that everything is done already
>>>
>>> I wonder if the follow-on from your position, Michel, is that evangelism
>> and futurism are inconsistent with P2P systems, which are more focused on
>> deployment and solutions?
>>
>> I find the distinction of p2p to be its moral tones.  Its pervasive
>> political economic view is trust and responsibility--much more than any
>> brand of socialism or libertarianism, for example, I am aware of.
>>
>> It may be those ethical traits which remove it from evangelism and,
>> especially, futurism.  Futurism must be speculative, rhetorical and
>> visioning.  Perhaps the risks associated with those veins makes futurism
>> inconsistent with p2p's moral/ethical tone.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
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