[p2p-research] Was Re: P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone / Now P2P and Futurism

[marc fawzi]

I think Michel is referring to the ideology in a vacuum, i.e. in the absence
of anything real.

You can have a vision in the absence of something real to substantiate it
and that is called futuring or visioning and it's part of human nature.

But you cannot have an ideology in the absence of something real to
substantiate it.

So the issue, IMO, is vision vs ideology.

Ideology that is there before there is any supporting reality is delusion.

Vision is different, as it foreshadows what is to come and does not pretend
that it is already here.

Marc


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> as you perhaps know, I studied for a number of years the implications of
>> the  transhuman promises, when making TechnoCalyps,
>>
>> my problems are:
>>
>> 1) people like kurzweil and other superlatives go seemlessly, and
>> unwarrantedly, from actual research, to the promise of the research, to
>> imagining that everything is done already
>>
>> I wonder if the follow-on from your position, Michel, is that evangelism
> and futurism are inconsistent with P2P systems, which are more focused on
> deployment and solutions?
>
> I find the distinction of p2p to be its moral tones.  Its pervasive
> political economic view is trust and responsibility--much more than any
> brand of socialism or libertarianism, for example, I am aware of.
>
> It may be those ethical traits which remove it from evangelism and,
> especially, futurism.  Futurism must be speculative, rhetorical and
> visioning.  Perhaps the risks associated with those veins makes futurism
> inconsistent with p2p's moral/ethical tone.
>
> Ryan
>
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