[p2p-research] P2P Medicine -- Making Your Smart Phone into an Ultrasound Device

marc fawzi marc.fawzi at gmail.com
Thu Apr 23 04:39:19 CEST 2009 

That is insane, which is why it will be repeated.

Only thing is: I doubt an auto-pilot could have landed that plane on the
Hudson (the one that ran into a flock of birds) ... and if any machine makes
a life/death decision that results in death then you'll see a huge backlash
against machines (that make decisions) even though humans make mistakes.

I enjoyed the philosophical undertones in Battlestar Galactica (the new
series that just ended) and would highly recommend it for followers of this
subject.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just last week there as a story of a pilot fired for having sex in the
> cockpit.  In this case it was a man as pilot. I believe the woman was a porn
> star.  I doubt you'd have that worry with the autopilot (which was no doubt
> flying while the pilot was engaged).
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think if one is focused on being horny then one will make sure they land
>> the plane so they can get on with it. That would be my priority.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the question we are all asking is, in the age of networks, high
>>> speed chips, self-improving algorithms and p2p, what is decision science and
>>> what is the capacity to make responsible decisions?
>>>
>>> Truth is, I am very close to feeling more comfortable with a machine
>>> flying me than a human who can have a few drinks, be mad at her husband,
>>> focused on being horny, having a panic attack, etc.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:09 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>>
>>>> AI and robotics will continue to reduce the level of specialization
>>>> required by people.
>>>>
>>>> The surgical robots used today are already programmed with certain
>>>> surgical maneuvers (e.g. they know how to hold a knife and make certain cuts
>>>> and the doctor has to only give the green light)
>>>>
>>>> So it's easy to see someone with just a college degree (instead of 11
>>>> years of medical schooling) operate these smart systems. I'm not saying that
>>>> we will have zero human intervention in the near future but I'm saying that
>>>> it democratizes the whole field of medicine by lowering the specialization
>>>> level required to conduct medical tests and procedures. That's already
>>>> happening and has been happening for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you're on the spot there as far as the long term evolution of
>>>>>> the health market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doctors can be replaced with expert systems. Surgeons can be replaced
>>>>>> with robots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally think that's a fallacy and that expert systems will help
>>>>> doctors (and patients), and robots will help surgeons ... I've seen little
>>>>> evidence of such total replacement in very complex systems requiring
>>>>> judgment calls
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Medical and pharmaceutical researchers, bioinformatics researchers, et
>>>>>> al will still be needed. I know that some will say they too can be replaced
>>>>>> with discovery software couped to bots that can do experiments but that's a
>>>>>> little far fetched now since we haven't really cracked what 'creativity' is
>>>>>> and how major breakthroughs come to us. If we had, we wouldn't be
>>>>>> collaborating here.. we'd let our AI agents do all the
>>>>>> creative/philosophical thinking/problem solving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you dis-intermediate a x-ray tech and still use a doctor, you are
>>>>>>> moving toward p2p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I can imagine iPhones with the capacity to analyze self
>>>>>>> imaging...  Spot your own breaks, cancers, tooth decay by using tech.  Why
>>>>>>> not?  Set your own bone?  Maybe you stop by a robot room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who needs a nutritionist?  A personal trainer?  Only people who don't
>>>>>>> have machines that allow them to share consistent processes and best
>>>>>>> practices.  Even sports...we don't need coaches as much as we need analyses
>>>>>>> of bio-physics compared to large networks of performance measures given
>>>>>>> similar styles, flaws, etc.  Is my elbow too bent?  My hand too high?
>>>>>>> Compare me to everyone who is also 6'2" who has a better swing than me...we
>>>>>>> all share data and performance metrics...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, P2P has to start us rapidly on the path to bots as peers.
>>>>>>> That's true in physical/medical realms, soon, I'd guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that supplements are a big market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about self-use medical devices? I thought that's what you're
>>>>>>>> referring to re: Smartphone ultrasound scanner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as defibrillators go, I know that they're not in wide use.
>>>>>>>> They cost around $1000.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, blood sugar and pregnancy testing devices are
>>>>>>>> used widely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the kind of device and its price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Med sites amongst the largest on the web, Marc.  People playing
>>>>>>>>> doctor all day every day.  Supplements will one day surpass big pharma I
>>>>>>>>> predict.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People are not yet into playing doctor ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example, defibrillators save lives but less than 1% of seniors
>>>>>>>>>> have them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "DIY or DIE" would be a good message in case of the
>>>>>>>>>> defibrillators.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Lanham <
>>>>>>>>>> rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Engineers at Washington University in St. Louis, MO have turned a
>>>>>>>>>>> smart phone into an ultrasound platform.  It is now possible to have
>>>>>>>>>>> relatively sophisticated medical imaging virtually anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/13928.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Lanham
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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